QuoteHmm, just think how the Brazilians must have felt...
Aye, but it might have to be rested. Too embarrassing to link with a team letting in more than six at home...Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
Hmm, just think how the Brazilians must have felt...
It hasn't put James McClean off
Harry Kane and Kyle Naughton are close to declaring while David McGoldrick, whose mother is "apparently" Irish, is likely to be called up on Thursday, according to Paul Rowan.
Good news if true...
What does "close to declaring" mean exactly? Passports in the post?
How does Naughton qualify again? Kane qualifies through his Galway-born grandfather; isn't that right? McGoldrick's qualification is discussed here: http://www.goal.com/en-ie/news/3942/...reland-call-up
Although it seems he's eligible through one of his adoptive parent's Irish McGoldrick links anyway, could he have claimed Irish nationality by virtue of the blood-tie with his birth mother's father? That relationship, even though by blood, is no longer legally recognised, is it? I shall do a bit of research...
Kane's willingness (if the reports are true) is interesting as he's still pretty young and also recently stated:
I think it's pretty telling that there are no quotes from Kane, Naughton or O'Neill in the article. Even the anecdote/s about McGoldrick have been doing the rounds for over 6 months now.
Filling column inches?
Heard about Naughton before, though had though it was originally the, er, North he was qualified for.
This is the only link on his Wiki page.
http://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/sheff...ghton-1-258198
Again, if he/they want to do it, massively in favour of fast-tracking as with any others, in via the Gibraltar game...
He'd still have been eligible anyway, even if it was through northern roots. Maybe his roots are indeed northern. I'm not sure.
I wouldn't advise us being anything other than completely professional nor would I wish to take the Gibraltar result for granted, but two prominent squad members of a top-half Premier League team still eligible for England? Definitely. Get them tied!This is the only link on his Wiki page.
http://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/sheff...ghton-1-258198
Again, if he/they want to do it, massively in favour of fast-tracking as with any others, in via the Gibraltar game...
Get Grealish in the mix too, whilst we're at it.
I dont think Grealish should be compared with these lads. He has played with us since he was 14. Crowley as well at least played for us and was obviously proud to do so, Naughton and Kane obviously have known about their eligibility for years and are only looking at us as a career move. Chances of either been regular in england squads is minimal. McGoldrick is no addition no better than best who again threw his lot in with us a youngster when there was lots of interest in him from england underage sides. Lads like best should be given respect for that
Ha, I'm well aware. I've had long, heated arguments with TOWK in Grealish's thread over the past while about his commitment. I, like you, see no reason to doubt his motivations.
I think he'd be worth a call-up though as he's clearly central to Lambert's plans at Villa this season and, if good enough for Premier league level, then surely can add something to our squad. Getting him capped and tied before his name becomes household would at least nip any potential James McCarthy-style media panic over his commitment in the bud. Such nonsense would only be a source of unhelpful distraction for everyone concerned.
I haven't seen much of McGoldrick but I hear he has pace to burn. Best would be more like Wakers, no?
Weren't James McCarthy's motivations to play for Ireland driven by a dying Grandfather's wish? Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think he ever made any comments about possibly playing for Scotland either - even when our former manager was publicly goading him into doing so.
I don't think anyone had a reason to doubt McCarthy's sincerity. I think the panic was driven by our ex-manager's Inspector Clouseau like attempts at relations with players.
Grealish has made some pretty contradictory statements in the past and at one point seemed to be on the verge of switching to England, so there would be more to fear about his long-term future.
Just seeing that the Gibraltar game is in October, a month after the Georgia game. I say if he continues to appear for Villa between now and then and impress sufficiently, then yes, cap him off the bench. There certainly have been stranger call-ups (Clifford).
I have to say though that if the kid hasn't made a definitive decision on whom he wants to play for, as I suspect, then I'm not sure how he would respond to something so cynical as being capped in a competitive game in the 90th minute just to prevent him from playing for England.
It's going to be interesting to see what happens anyways.
As Liamoo said, I would be just as inclined to call up Leon Best or persevere with Murphy and Doyle than to cap McGoldrick. The jury's out on if he is any better than Stokes, Cox and Walters and I don't think his talent or profile is sufficient enough to throw him in straight away. Not gone on Naughton for more than one reason. Kane could have something about him, with his profile and new contract; but I suspect it's irrelevant as he is pitched in with England.
Last edited by TheOneWhoKnocks; 17/08/2014 at 5:51 PM.
Aye, that story is often cited by reputable sources, so I assume it's true. McCarthy always played for us, always displayed commitment since we first selected him and had to put up with near-weekly torrents of sectarian abuse whilst playing for Hamilton in Scotland after he first accepted an Irish call-up. He has strong Donegal connections, frequently holidaying with his family in the Rosses growing up, as well as Cavan connections on the maternal side, and proudly identifies as Irish. Even though he later said would have accepted a Scotland call-up had they first come calling, there was absolutely no reason for the media to question his commitment to Ireland once he'd accepted the call (and allegedly made the promise to his dying Donegal grandfather). It was insulting to him. For whatever reason, though, they did. He'd pulled out of a few friendly squads so as not to aggravate a prolonged injury concern, despite often playing through the pain barrier for Wigan in the Premier League weekends following; I suppose that got the paranoid worrying, but he was merely protecting his fitness. Martinez had made public utterances too around the time about him still being eligible for Scotland, which didn't help quell the groundless speculation, but McCarthy was always firm about his commitment and had actually met Trap face-to-face to confirm his commitment shortly before Martinez' comments. Are you saying Trap was goading McCarthy into declaring for Scotland? I have no idea what you're referring to there.
"Contradictory statements"? What exactly has he said that's contradictory? And he was "on the verge of switching to England"? Where do you get this stuff? (I have a feeling I know what you're referring to, as we've discussed Grealish to death, but, once again, you're catastrophising. The FA simply approached him and his father...)Grealish has made some pretty contradictory statements in the past and at one point seemed to be on the verge of switching to England, so there would be more to fear about his long-term future.
He's publicly declared that he wants to play for Ireland for the foreseeable future, unless things turn sour and he's pressured into switching. That sounds definitive enough to me. I'd be stunned if he shunned a senior call-up.I have to say though that if the kid hasn't made a definitive decision on whom he wants to play for, as I suspect, then I'm not sure how he would respond to something so cynical as being capped in a competitive game in the 90th minute just to prevent him from playing for England.
Not sure what the actual connection is, but I know Kane has some cousins around the Clifden area and use to visit there when he was younger.
Don't let yourself be taken in by alleged reputed sources.
The story about James fulfilling his dying grandfather's wish is total fabrication.
File under myth.
His grandfather’s alleged last wish, 2008:
“I won’t be changing my mind. I’ve been part of the Republic set up for too long now and I’m proud to be part of it. I loved the experience with the Under-21s and it was brilliant to get my first cap. People think I chose to play for the Republic because my granda asked me to. It wasn’t his last wish, like some people think. He always said he would have loved to see me play for Ireland but that’s not the reason I made my decision. The chance came for an international cap and I decided to go for it because Scotland never asked me. There was never any indication they were going to either. I know I’m still young but I wanted international experience and it meant a lot for me to get it with Ireland.”
So you're saying he's a mercenary? Well I never. What does TOWK think of this?
DID YOU NOTICE A SIGN OUTSIDE MY HOUSE...?
More honest than a 'mercenary'...
Consider it filed.
I enjoyed this quote from James in 2007 on Scottish interviewers asking him about possibly switching to Scotland:
"It’s always the same when you get an interview here in Scotland. They’re always asking so ‘what’s happening, are you going to change?’ and it’s at the stage now where I just say ‘we’ll see what happens’ to put them off and get them off my back. I won a Player of the Month Award but spent my entire time talking about that. But I’m happy where I’m at, with Ireland. The fuss can be annoying, but it doesn’t really bother me."
Jack Grealish tells his interviewers the same when asked about the prospect of him playing for England; "we'll see what happens". There's probably little to be read into when such a stock phrase is used by a player with dual eligibility, so why assume Grealish will be any different from the likes of McCarthy or McGeady? It's just being civil and polite. In the end, there was evidently no reason whatsoever for anyone to have panicked when it came to McCarthy's commitment. The FAI rightly build links with the families of such players (see the experiences of McGeady, Duffy, Gibson, et cetera) and they make sure everyone feels welcome. Noel King has done the same; he's taken Grealish under his wing and has made the lad feel part of the family.
Unrelatedly, I'm reading a book at the minute which mentioned in passing an England-born player called Tyrone Mears who'd played for Marseille a few years ago. For whatever reason, I decided to seek out some further info about him online; I think I was surprised I'd never heard of him before. Turns out, he played internationally for Jamaica, but only ever received a single cap. I came across the following amusing tale on his Wikipedia article; it explains why his "international career" was limited to just that one appearance in 2009:
we shouldnt fast track any body just to tie him to us
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