But if these players are coming in to the IFA setup while covertly harbouring ambitions of playing for Ireland, why do you think they'd admit their ambitions if the IFA asked, knowing they'd be cast out?Originally Posted by Not Brazil
And if they pledged their allegiance to NI, what sort of reaction would these youngsters receive from NI fans if later they decided to commit to us? Let's be honest, many NI fans are not renowned for their forgiving and understanding nature!
That's my job!!!
DID YOU NOTICE A SIGN OUTSIDE MY HOUSE...?
I always suspected you were Gerry Armstrong in disguise.
I scored against Spain you know.
DID YOU NOTICE A SIGN OUTSIDE MY HOUSE...?
If they harbour ambitions of playing for the South, why can't they just be honest about that, and go play for the South...thus allowing players who want to play for Northern Ireland the opportunity to do so? They can always switch if things don't work out with the FAI...so they wouldn't neccessarily be "cast out".
The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
And this is what we sang...
I once scored with a Spanish student. Still couldn't understand a word she was trying to say.
https://kesslereffect.bandcamp.com/album/kepler - New music. It's not that bad.
Why don't they just be honest about it now? What would change if the IFA started asking?
The IFA operate a "let's see what sticks" policy Danny...for me, that negates their right to bleat when some don't stick.
Whilst some in the IFA know my thoughts on the issue, I am no longer in touch with the IFA in any "official" capacity....I offer nothing more than just an opinion on a Discussion Board about the matter....I'm not even up to speed on what the AONISC think on the whole issue.
You must remember that when I once did meet officially with the IFA, as part of an AONISC group (pre Kearns), they looked at me as if I had two heads when I suggested that battling on the grounds that FIFA should uphold their Rules, was not the cleverist stragegy in the World. :-D
The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
And this is what we sang...
An excellent question.
The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
And this is what we sang...
It's not a question of honesty or dishonesty. It's players making decisions as per FIFA rules. The roles were not made to accommodate NI fans, a fact you need to accept.
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Last edited by gastric; 07/06/2013 at 12:31 AM.
A question of integrity then?
Why would you want to represent an Association, when you harbour dreams of playing for another Association, if/when the opportunity arises?
The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
And this is what we sang...
You're veering into the rhetorical now, but it's a serious question: what would change between the current scenario (A) and your idealised scenario (B)? Why would the player be more inclined to change their approach?
Are you being serious Bud?
What would change is that the IFA would be focused on players who desire to represent them at Senior International level, rather than those who don't!
The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
And this is what we sang...
I think you're misunderstanding me. What would change for the players? Would any fewer players play for the IFA?
It's just when NB says the word 'dreams' that I suspect most take him less seriously...
You were supposed to take the mouth gag out after yous were done!
Last edited by DannyInvincible; 07/06/2013 at 4:51 AM.
That's unfortunate as I think they could learn a lot from you in terms of what approach to take. Your general approach to this issue is certainly more progressive than any other I've encountered on that side of the fence. I'm surprised osarusan hasn't pulled you up yet!
However, it is easy to characterise over-simplistically and to talk in categorical black-and-white terms about those harbouring ambitions of playing for the FAI. What about those who just don't know at that age what they'd rather do, or those who would entertain both associations equally or even those who are quite happy to play for the IFA to test the water but who might later decide, for whatever reason, that it wasn't how they thought it'd be and that they'd rather give playing with the FAI a go? They may not even have had any original ambition to play for the FAI. Whilst the rules may be, players' circumstances and mindsets are not static and can change.
Last edited by DannyInvincible; 07/06/2013 at 4:52 AM.
Now now.I'm surprised osarusan hasn't pulled you up yet!
The problem with NB's approach, in my opinion, is that it's effectively toothless. There's nothing to stop a player saying the haven't made up their mind, or even professing full commitment to the IFA, and switching later.
We already know all of this...just a re-hash of all the old 'arguments'
Eloquent that Danny is on this subject, even they can't bring much new to the table at this stage.
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