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    Quote Originally Posted by BonnieShels View Post
    Until they play for us nothing "unfair" has happened.

    What would you say about a young nationalist, like say Niall McGinn who obviously harbours an ambition to play with the FAI but who perceived himself that he wasn't good enough and decided to stick with the IFA? He's partaking in such skullduggery. If he mentioned that he wishes to play forthe FAI and stood out of IFA squads on that basis he would be depriving himself of intl football and the IFA of a decent footballer.
    Nobody mentioned any player staying out of IFA squads. McGinn tells the IFA of his ambitions, and tells the FAI too, so they can select him. The IFA can then choose or omit him as they see fit, but either way, can't complain about it.
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    Osa, the mayor of Hachioji is Ishimori Takayuki?
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    I'm sure the IFA are perfectly aware of the players in its ranks that wish to be elsewhere but select these players regardless as (a) they make their respective team selections stronger and (b) they can work on convincing these players to stay put.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crosby87 View Post
    Osa, the mayor of Hachioji is Ishimori Takayuki?
    Yes. Actually he went to the same university I work at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ifk101 View Post
    I'm sure the IFA are perfectly aware of the players in its ranks that wish to be elsewhere but select these players regardless as (a) they make their respective team selections stronger and (b) they can work on convincing these players to stay put.
    Indeed, that is exactly how the IFA operate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ifk101 View Post
    I'm sure the IFA are perfectly aware of the players in its ranks that wish to be elsewhere
    I would encourage those players who "wish to be elsewhere", to go elsewhere...at the earliest opportunity.

    For example, if they want to play for the FAI, then it might be an idea for them to make the FAI aware of their desire at, say, Under 19 level.

    The IFA cannot complain about players going elsewhere, when the IFA allow themselves to be treated like a stepping stone to a Senior International career with another Association.

    As I have said previously, when the IFA start to focus primarily on players who want to have a Senior International career with the IFA, they might not have to gurn about defections as much in future.
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    What is the craic with Ryan McLaughlin? Is he likely to declare for us? He sounds an amazing talent from what I've heard.

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    Fair enough NB, but as we've discussed many times before, there ain't ever going to be any time or age limits, rightly IMO.
    And the door(s) will remain firmly open. In 'all' directions...

    Which benefits teams with smaller pools generally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy View Post
    Fair enough NB, but as we've discussed many times before, there ain't ever going to be any time or age limits, rightly IMO.
    And the door(s) will remain firmly open. In 'all' directions...
    More a case of helping a young player decide which door he wants to through AB, before selecting him.

    Big, grown up, conversations with footballers (and their parents, possibly?) when they are in the frame for selection at Under 19 Level isn't against any rules, nor is it creating any new ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Not Brazil View Post
    More a case of helping a young player decide which door he wants to through AB, before selecting him.

    Big, grown up, conversations with footballers (and their parents, possibly?) when they are in the frame for selection at Under 19 Level isn't against any rules, nor is it creating any new ones.
    Provided they walk through the door leading with their right foot... or correct foot?

    Seriously though I don't think there would be any harm in that but I think you have to tread carefully as it would appear that the IFA are "weeding" people out if done wrongly or insensitively. I wouldn't put it past them to make a hames of it. I think the current situation is fine and would be better if the constant bleating from the IFA, OWC and MON was put to bed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BonnieShels View Post
    Provided they walk through the door leading with their right foot... or correct foot?

    Seriously though I don't think there would be any harm in that but I think you have to tread carefully as it would appear that the IFA are "weeding" people out if done wrongly or insensitively. I wouldn't put it past them to make a hames of it. I think the current situation is fine and would be better if the constant bleating from the IFA, OWC and MON was put to bed.
    Not if they do it properly, like weed out the young players who won't commit and take an oath of loyalty, the IFA covenant.
    What could possibly go wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by geysir View Post
    Not if they do it properly, like weed out the young players who won't commit and take an oath of loyalty, the IFA covenant.
    What could possibly go wrong?
    No "oaths" or "covenants" required.

    Just an honest answer to a straight question.

    In fact, the more I think about it, the IFA should stop bleating about something they could control a hell of a lot better.

    If they allow themselves to be used as a stepping stone, no point in them gurning when a player uses the stepping stone.

    Need to buck up their ideas on their selection policy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Not Brazil View Post
    No "oaths" or "covenants" required.

    Just an honest answer to a straight question.

    In fact, the more I think about it, the IFA should stop bleating about something they could control a hell of a lot better.
    If they allow themselves to be used as a stepping stone, no point in them gurning when a player uses the stepping stone.

    Need to buck up their ideas on their selection policy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Not Brazil View Post
    No "oaths" or "covenants" required.

    Just an honest answer to a straight question.

    In fact, the more I think about it, the IFA should stop bleating about something they could control a hell of a lot better.

    If they allow themselves to be used as a stepping stone, no point in them gurning when a player uses the stepping stone.

    Need to buck up their ideas on their selection policy.
    Yes but while that might save them the anguish of losing players from the set-up, it would probably also push away some players who would otherwise stick with the IFA down the road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin View Post
    Yes but while that might save them the anguish of losing players from the set-up, it would probably also push away some players who would otherwise stick with the IFA down the road.
    Not fussed about players who "would otherwise stick" CD...if a player wants, in his heart, to represent the FAI, he should give it a go, early doors...and have that wish facilitated by the IFA.

    Sure, if it don't work out with the FAI, the player could consider switching to the IFA - at least, in his heart, he would know he chased his dream with the FAI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Not Brazil View Post
    Not fussed about players who "would otherwise stick" CD...if a player wants, in his heart, to represent the FAI, he should give it a go, early doors...and have that wish facilitated by the IFA.

    Sure, if it don't work out with the FAI, the player could consider switching to the IFA - at least, in his heart, he would know he chased his dream with the FAI.
    Your pragmatism is shamefully underepresented in your OWC brethern. And I use brethern loosely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Not Brazil View Post
    Not fussed about players who "would otherwise stick" CD...if a player wants, in his heart, to represent the FAI, he should give it a go, early doors...and have that wish facilitated by the IFA.

    Sure, if it don't work out with the FAI, the player could consider switching to the IFA - at least, in his heart, he would know he chased his dream with the FAI.
    Every action the IFA makes suggest they don't think that's the right approach. They want to bring everybody into the IFA and hope they don't want to leave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin View Post
    Every action the IFA makes suggest they don't think that's the right approach. They want to bring everybody into the IFA and hope they don't want to leave.
    You are, of course, right.

    They try to bring everybody in, then bleat when some later switch.

    In my opinion, they would be better served by only bringing in those who want to have a Senior International career with the IFA.
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    Football for All the Selected.

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    Have you forwarded your suggestions to the IFA, NB? And, if so, with what sort of response have they been met?

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