QuoteSo...after 200 pages, have we finally come to a stop?Originally Posted by Not Brazil
Without looking too hard, on this thread alone.
In case you missed it earlier, AB, by way of reminder, please save yourself time by not responding to my posts - as I have no intention in future of replying to them.
No further comment necessary.
Last edited by Not Brazil; 27/05/2012 at 12:20 PM.
The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
And this is what we sang...
So...after 200 pages, have we finally come to a stop?
https://kesslereffect.bandcamp.com/album/kepler - New music. It's not that bad.
Nope... Never.
I do feel the feedback loop nature of the discourse of the last 2 weeks has been rather annoying.
But to recap from the wonderful post that started it all...
http://foot.ie/threads/147164-Eligib...=1#post1449737
I changed the bit pertaining to Jimmy Mac and Ciarán Clark.
Now... go...
DID YOU NOTICE A SIGN OUTSIDE MY HOUSE...?
I would have edited quite a few bits on that original first post in this thread but we (ordinary mortal members) don't have that possibility after a period of time has passed.
Except it is 'The North'. Even yer own fans refer to it as that.
And certainly plenty of the inhabitants do. Often with a disparaging epithet.
I don't care who you personally respond to, but if you post nonsense people will pull you up on it.
'No further comment necessary' indeed.
Don't I know it. My endeavours in the ticket exchange thread are clearly not the work of a forum god.
geysir, It's that mortality that keeps you grounded. It's a humility that is clearly missing within the realms of the pantheon of foot.ie's Trinity of John83, dahamsta and pineapple stu. Stu being the Holy Ghost of course.
They think they're so great editing after days and days and fixing NB's inability to multiquote.
Bow down! For their wrath is mighty!
Jaysus, it's warm out.
DID YOU NOTICE A SIGN OUTSIDE MY HOUSE...?
SDLP also called for the 'creation of an all-Ireland soccer team' in their manifesto.
I was forwarded documentation/letters from the SDLP to the Irish Goverment relating to the Gibson/Kearns issue and i'm aware that both Sinn Fein & the SDLP were very active in submitting various communications prior to the eligibility issue being resolved.
Except there is a de facto "all-Ireland soccer team".
Another Party who fought for the right of choice for players from Northern Ireland to play for The South, but now seek to remove the choice of Northern Irish born players to play for Northern Ireland.
Calls for a singular all Ireland team are now, as DI intimated, "empty rhetoric".
The Kearns judgement established the right of choice.
That right of choice for players extends to players who want nothing to do with the FAI sides must be upheld and respected by those who fought for choice in the first place.
The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
And this is what we sang...
Don't disagree. While two teams remain then it's a players choice, that's always been my view.
Pity the IFA couldn't accept the right of choice for players in the north without dragging Kearns throught he courts, but hey that's in the past now.
CAS sorted the issue and thus i'm happy for a player to decide within the FIFA regulations.
I would disagree. The right of choice for dual nationals was already established in the FIFA statutes. It did not have to be fought for, as it was already there.
CAS just confirmed what had already been established.
Probably shouldn't have included NB's quote in my post above 'The Kearns judgement established the right of choice' as it's incorrect.
We hope...
More accurately, the Kearns judgement confirmed the right of choice.
The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
And this is what we sang...
Geysir , I hope you feel suitably guilty for the monster you created. It's all your fault!
The irony of all of this is that it all stemmed from the succinct post that started it all.
Hilarious.
It just goes to show that Irish people really like to argue the toss about anything.
DID YOU NOTICE A SIGN OUTSIDE MY HOUSE...?
No we don't.
I'm guessing your posts might be moderated until you reach a certain number; possibly 10 or something. But if anyone wants to argue with me on that, this is the thread for it...
Thought this was an interesting one; 'Ljajic suspended from Serbian national team': http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...246/index.html
Midfielder Adem Ljajic has been suspended from the Serbian national team for failing to sing the national anthem before a friendly against Spain, Serbia's football association said Monday.
It said in a statement that Serbia's new coach Sinisa Mihajlovic "sent Ljajic home'' because he did not comply with one of his rules that stipulates players have to sing the anthem before all international matches.
Ljajic, who is a Muslim unlike most of the Serbian team players who are Christian Orthodox, did not sing the anthem "because of his personal reasons,'' the statement said.
"The coach had a meeting with Ljajic,'' the statement said. "After getting the information that because of his personal reasons he did not sing the anthem, Sinisa Mihajlovic told the player to return home.''
Serbia lost 2-0 against Spain in St. Gallen, Switzerland, on Saturday. Serbia, which did not qualify for the European Championship, is to play France in another friendly match later this week.
The association said that when the 20-year-old Ljajic changes his "personal stand,'' he will be allowed back into the squad.
"If I don't respect myself, no one will respect me,'' Ljajic said upon his return to Belgrade on Monday.
I'm just going to post the lyrics of the Serbian national anthem to make it slightly more clear as to what his objections are. I suppose one distinction that can be drawn between the two scenarios is that Ljajic is objecting on religious grounds, while someone like McClean is objecting on the grounds that he does not feel the need to pay homage to the Queen of the United Kingdom.
Actually, in hindsight, there's a lot in those words that carries geographical reference that, perhaps, Ljajic may be uncomfortable with.God of Justice; Thou who saved us
when in deepest bondage cast,
Hear Thy Serbian children's voices,
Be our help as in the past.
With Thy mighty hand sustain us,
Still our rugged pathway trace;
God, our hope; protect and cherish,(*)
Serbian lands and Serbian race!(*)
(Repeat last two lines)
Bind in closest links our kindred
Teach the love that will not fail,
May the loathed fiend of discord
Never in our ranks prevail.
Let the golden fruits of union
Our young tree of freedom grace;
God, our Master! Guide and prosper,
Serbian lands and Serbian race!
(Repeat last two lines)
Lord! Avert from us Thy vengeance,
Thunder of Thy dreaded ire;
Bless each Serbian town and hamlet,
Mountain, meadow, heart and spire.
When our host goes forth to battle
Death or victory to embrace-
God of armies! Be our leader,
Strengthen then the Serbian race!
(Repeat last two lines)
On our sepulchre of ages
Breaks the resurrection morn,
From the slough of direst slavery
Serbia anew is born.
Through five hundred years of durance
We have knelt before Thy face,
All our kin, O God! Deliver,
Thus entreats the Serbian race!
(Repeat last two lines)
We must also bear in mind that Ljajic hasn't always enjoyed the best of relationships with his managers. He recently got Fiorentina's manager the sack when the coach decided to attack him with a flurry of punches and having been due to sign for Manchester United, Alex Ferguson dubiously cited a lack of progression as the reason for the plug being pulled on Ljajic's deal.
EDIT: Wiki states it's normally only the first two verses that are sung.
Last edited by Olé Olé; 28/05/2012 at 9:07 PM.
So was this DI, taken from your latest blog.
To both my surprise and disappointment, it has come to my attention that there are elements within the IFA still operating behind the scenes with the intention of deciphering a method by which Irish nationals could be rendered ineligible by FIFA to play for the FAI.
At no time have I claimed "that there are elements within the IFA still operating behind the scenes with the intention of deciphering a method by which Irish nationals could be rendered ineligible by FIFA to play for the FAI". That is your interpreatation of my comments.
What I did say, verbatim, was this:
"If the IFA went back to FIFA to lobby to have their (FIFA's) previous suggestion to allow Citizens of the Republic Of Ireland to play for Northern Ireland put in place - and were successful - that would bring Article 6 of the FIFA Eligibility Statutes into play.
I'm hearing whispers of such an approach being considered"
By that I meant that an approach to the IFA on that basis was being considered - the "elements" involved are not "within the IFA", but supportive of the IFA. My comments are, indeed, open to interpretation.
By way of clarification:
I don't think that such an approach to the IFA would get wings - I get the feeling that most within the IFA are resigned to the Kearns verdict and would seek to operate within it's findings, going foward.
The Head of Community Relations in the IFA would share my view that attempts to deny the right of any Citizen Of Republic Of Ireland to play for the Republic Of Ireland are self harming - they do nothing for community relations whatsoever. It is an issue we have discussed on many occassions, and, no doubt, will continue to discuss in future. I would not always have held such views, but have grown to that way of thinking having discussed the issue in detail with people from various angles on the debate.
There are those within the Northern Ireland fanbase whose wish it still is to see the right of a Republic Of Ireland Citizen to play for the Republic of Ireland denied ie. you play for Northern Ireland, or you don't play International football at all would be their viewpoint. It was from one such fan that I heard of a possible approach to the IFA being made on the basis I outlined, by a small group of fans.
I am a critic of the IFA's approach over the eligibility issue, as my posts in recent years would evidence.
On this occassion, "a whisper" does not constitute skullduggery at Windsor Avenue.
Notwithstanding, your blog makes for an interesting read.
http://backpagefootball.com/opinion/...ibility-issue/
Last edited by Not Brazil; 29/05/2012 at 5:25 PM.
The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
And this is what we sang...
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