Not at all.Originally Posted by Predator
It was the disparaging, arrogant, manner of Bruce's decision that prompts me to not want him about the place.
The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
And this is what we sang...
I appreciate that you were asked about it, but i don't see any reason for this info to be in this thread.
NB has made it clear multiple times that Alex Bruce's disparaging comments when choosing ROI over NI are the reason he doesn't want to see Bruce in any NI squad, not the actual choice of ROI itself.
It was posted in the context of McClean's claims that he was not comfortable in the Northern Ireland set up, and one of the reasons being there "were not too many Catholics" around.
(However many "not too many" is???)
I was making a point that some people might not be too comfortable in the company of McClean, given the type of friend he keeps.
Last edited by Not Brazil; 23/05/2012 at 4:46 PM.
The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
And this is what we sang...
...he came out at a young age.
What else did Bruce say other than "there wasn't really a decision to make"? Is that disparaging, and why would it be different to someone like George implying through his actions (or even stating to an approaching member of the IFA in private) that there was no decision to be made?
Thanks for that.
In the wider context of players choosing associations and offering clarification, Bruce's comments are, frankly, tame.
Is the act of switching in itself not disparaging? It certainly is seen as such to some and I would guess, it is in a sense to NB too, otherwise he wouldn't be so annoyed about it. Ultimately, NB's indignation towards Bruce is misplaced, in my opinion.
So, then, am I to to take it that NB will happily have players who tread an identical association path as Bruce, so long as they don't make any insinuation whatsoever, however factual or honest, that the Northern Ireland team is inferior?
End Apartheid Now! One Team in Ireland!
Beat me to it!
End Apartheid Now! One Team in Ireland!
Ah come on AB. Judging by the amount of posts you have, you're like the rest of us, you have too much time on your hands. Come on, join in with the real fun.
End Apartheid Now! One Team in Ireland!
The only confusion I have is your determination to spam with a Northern Ireland FA proposal that has absolutely no relevance us.
You guys seem to be rather hung up on my dislike of Alex Bruce
An Englishman, who chose to play for the South (because he wasn't good enough for England) including at Senior International level, made disparaging comments about Northern Ireland and now is "enthusiastic" (apparantly) about playing for Northern Ireland.
Not to my taste. He can do one.
Better players, more deserving of the shirt.
Now, under my proposals, the IFA meet with a young adult player to discuss how he hopes his international career pans out. They (the IFA) openly and honestly discuss the options available with the potential player, as per FIFA eligibility Statutes. They involve the parents, if appropriate.
If the young player is FAI minded, ie. that's who he would aspire to represent at senior international level, the IFA, through close association with FAI underage development personnel, facilitate the player being introduced to the FAI - with their best wishes.
The player goes on his merry way - chasing his dream.
Some time down the line, the young player realises he isn't going to realise his dream - he remembers the IFA doing right by him and helping him to chase his dream. He contacts the IFA and lets it be known that he would be interested in a switch. The IFA make a decision as to if and how the player would fit into their plans, geared towards the senior international squad.
A mature, socially responsible, way of dealing with the issue - to the benefit of all parties.
The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
And this is what we sang...
Aye, right enough, the choices of young Northern Irish born players, pertaining to their international careers are of no relevance (or interest) whatsoever to you.
Boy, you are confused.
The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
And this is what we sang...
But it's not binding! Players, like McClean, can continue to use the north as a stepping stone in their career if they so choose. Your proposal doesn't stop players switching. It has no relevance to us.
Last edited by ifk101; 23/05/2012 at 7:10 PM.
By jove, I think you're learning.
You are absolutely correct.
However, if a young adult indicates to the Irish Football Association that he aspires to play for the Irish Football Association at Senior International level, and then switches (as is his right) stating it was always his dream to play for the south, he's an unprincipled liar, lacking any honour and credability.
We would be well rid of players like that - just as I believe we are absolutely well rid of the likes of McClean.
The relevance to you of my proposal is that it may mean more players into the FAI system, earlier.
Good for us, good for you.
Happy Days.
The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
And this is what we sang...
It's good for us as it. Thanks. We're on way to Poland, you are on your way to a hammering in Holland.
What would make it better for both parties is the FAI taking a dual role in the training and development of players born in the north. This is good for you as you can weed out the nationalists/ republicans earlier. It's good for us as we field competitive sides from the age of 17 and greater access to our playing pool at the earlier age possible is only of benefit for our chances of winning games and qualifying for championships.
What do think of my proposal?
Don't rest on your laurels.
It's an interesting proposal.
How would that work in practice?
How would you envisage this dual role in training and development unfolding?
There'd be a bit of switching to the IFA involved down the line with your proposals, but, hey, that's fine.
I'm all for exploring ways to have players playing for Northern Ireland at Under 19 and above who aspire to playing senior international football for us.
We were told by a lot of the south's fans to concentrate on players who wanted to play for Northern Ireland - that was very good advice, which I have been happy to take on board.
The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
And this is what we sang...
The FAI has a network of regional development centres for players aged 11 onwards. This could be expanded to include the north.
The regional centres in the north can be operated by both the FAI and the Northern Ireland FA.
I'm warming to the idea.
The world wouldn't cave in if the Football Association of the Republic Of Ireland threw a few cones out for kids on Northern Irish territory.
Alternatively, why don't the Football Association of the Republic of Ireland lobby schools in Northern Ireland to send players to their development centres in the south?
Or, perhaps they do?
The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
And this is what we sang...
If the IFA went back to FIFA to lobby to have their (FIFA's) previous suggestion to allow Citizens of the Republic Of Ireland to play for Northern Ireland put in place - and were successful - that would bring Article 6 of the FIFA Eligibility Statutes into play.
I'm hearing whispers of such an approach being considered.
Not in favour myself.
Last edited by Not Brazil; 23/05/2012 at 8:07 PM.
The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
And this is what we sang...
How do you think they'd feel about such an idea at the Northern Irish Football Association?
Get it right you - it's the Northern Ireland Football Association.How do you think they'd feel about such an idea at the Northern Irish Football Association?
On past experience, I'm not sure they'd know it was happening.
The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
And this is what we sang...
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