QuoteNot true. Sure I went out to collect my monthly rations just a fortnight ago.Originally Posted by paul_oshea
Ya but you dont venture out very often DI...
What?! Not even a pint in The Cottage? Outrageous!
Just on the Ulster identity; I was in Cork recently and got speaking to a lad who asked me what part of the north I was from. When I told him, he proceeded to speak to me about his time in Monaghan, and I got the impression that he treated it as being pretty much the exact same Ulsterish.
Go on, talk me through it. I'm not convinced that it's practical.
Last edited by Predator; 18/05/2012 at 2:16 PM.
End Apartheid Now! One Team in Ireland!
Not true. Sure I went out to collect my monthly rations just a fortnight ago.Ya but you dont venture out very often DI...
not really I happen to agree with him.
You too have a dreams fixation??
As I would never describe myself as british nor Northern irish, my nationality is Irish I would only ever consider playing for Ireland . If I couldnt make it with Ireland I sure as hell wouldnt hedge my bets and possibly stand for another anthem/flag.You too have a dreams fixation??
Maybe you were immature at 18, but its generally accepted that you are an adult at that age and its not exactly or it shouldnt be a difficult choice.
Except it's contrary to FIFA's current rules.
Age is just a number.
Get Over it!
Get over what ? what having an opinion ? How exactly do you get over having an opinion ? dont you know your nationaility at 18 ? are you not mature enough to make a decision then even you can do most things ?. and we are talking about an ireland/NI context here BTW not elsewhere so dont go down that path, 21 is just a number also
What exactly are you worried about if it did come in ?
Edit - currect rules allow such an agreement between 2 FA's AFAIK
Last edited by Newryrep; 19/05/2012 at 8:17 AM.
What exactly is the nature of the agreement we're talking about here? I'm confused.
What happened to McCourt and McGinn's sense of national identity? Do they have a different national identity to players who chose to play for the FAI?
Was McClean a late 'convert' or just flying a flag of convenience?
I respect your stance.
Some slower learners seem to think that what I propose involves changing FIFA rules - it doesn't.
The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
And this is what we sang...
If I read you correctly, it's a policy that would be internal to the IFA only; it wouldn't require any prior approval by the FAI or FIFA. The talk of an inter-associational agreement confused me.
Spot on DI.
The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
And this is what we sang...
The IFA are entitled to select who they want so don't see a problem. However, there would be nothing to stop someone making the same decision that James McClean made even after "committing" to the IFA at U-19 level.
I think it might make some players think twice about accepting a call-up which I think is all that NotBrazil is looking for.
"There's man all over for you, blaming on his boots the fault of his feet" - Samuel Beckett, Waiting for Godot
DI a hypothetical one between IFA/FAI where NI born declare for one or the other ( or another if eligible) at 18
I have no idea, they can answer for themselves. would we have the same number of players switching if we werent on the up , I am personally not convinced
We have a solution to the problem as per the CAS Agreement. While I have some issues with your so called idea, it would have been a better option for the IFA to have negotiated such an agreement rather than going for broke with CAS. You have to agree that there is no way the FAI are going to want to renegotiate a win which is advantageous to it. Therefore, the present situation is the solution and has to be respected and accepted.
I think you've completely missed the thrust of what I propose - it doesn't involve the FAI.
The IFA selection process does not involve the FAI.
The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
And this is what we sang...
The IFA can do whatever they want. They have decided to do nothing progressive re the anthem issue, in fear that the reaction from the current support would outweigh any positives.
Having a selection policy would appear to fit in with that thinking. Perhaps they could make it appear rational and fair.
But this is the IFA, they would be 10 times more likely to make it look like they were isolating the inferiors to prevent further contamination of the gene pool.
You alluded that a player should know his nationality at the age of 18, as if that should affect a choice between the IFA and the FAI.
Maybe you didn't intend to, but I interpret that as casting aspersions on the sense of national identity of nationalist players who continue to represent the IFA.
I don't know about McGinn or McCourt either, but I assume they consider themselves as Irish as Duffy or McClean.
Last edited by geysir; 20/05/2012 at 9:27 AM.
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