Licences 2011

**eamo1** · 14/02/2011, 12:34 PM

Derry got punished for dual contracts to players by being sent down a division.
Cork also relegated for the antics of their Chairman(cant remember his name) at the time.
Bohs have outstanding debts of 4 million and stay up.
Galway Utd had debts to staff of Circa 10k, which btw i thought an agreement had been reached last week to pay them back, and they get flung down 2 division's????

**CSFShels** · 14/02/2011, 12:36 PM

I think the most bizarre thing of all is that any announcement has given no reference to the fact that this has decreased the size of 1 division and meant a fixture reshuffle (possibly a complete 1 for the First Division) will be required.

**John83** · 14/02/2011, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by passerrby

I will not sit here and have the names of them fine people in licensing besmirched they are doing a fantasic job in fact everybody in the fai are a credit to the association.

UCD are still an implosion or two away from Europe, so I say Delaney out!

**CSFShels** · 14/02/2011, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by eamo1

Derry got punished for dual contracts to players by being sent down a division.
Cork also relegated for the antics of their Chairman(cant remember his name) at the time.
Bohs have outstanding debts of 4 million and stay up.
Galway Utd had debts to staff of Circa 10k, which btw i thought an agreement had been reached last week to pay them back, and they get flung down 2 division's????

Derry and Cork formed new clubs. If Galway had decided to do this they could have gotten a First Division licence too most likely.

**OneForTheFuture** · 14/02/2011, 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by eamo1

Derry got punished for dual contracts to players by being sent down a division.
Cork also relegated for the antics of their Chairman(cant remember his name) at the time.
Bohs have outstanding debts of 4 million and stay up.
Galway Utd had debts to staff of Circa 10k, which btw i thought an agreement had been reached last week to pay them back, and they get flung down 2 division's????

And you don't think thats fair, do you?

**Dodge** · 14/02/2011, 12:45 PM

HOw many times lads? There's a HUGE difference between debts to creditors and 'football debts' to players and other clubs.

As long as their are payment plans in place, there's nothign wring with debt.

**geezer** · 14/02/2011, 12:49 PM

Licencing committee would have no option in Galways case, They went by the book to be fair. We will file an appeal, Hopefully have "official" confirmation of a tax clearance cert not some email correspondence. Deals with players were also struck late for the independent committee.

there are 2 outstanding issues today as far as we know
1. Tax cert
2. Money due to former employee circa �1700 (not player or manager)

**Spudulika** · 14/02/2011, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

HOw many times lads? There's a HUGE difference between debts to creditors and 'football debts' to players and other clubs.

As long as their are payment plans in place, there's nothign wring with debt.

How much are you into Harvey Normans for then?

**peadar1987** · 14/02/2011, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by thischarmingman

Cough.

Oops! 2 out of six then!

**gufct** · 14/02/2011, 1:07 PM

We had an Agreement with the revenue on Thursday(a large 5 figure payment made in jan) but the decision maker was not available to sign the Agreement on friday that has been rectified today.One of the creditors sent an email confirming his agreement subject to our cheque clearing which takes 3 day and the other creditor had to discuss the matter with his solicitor and only could give us verbal agreement.

The total owed is less than �16k.The trust are only a fortnight into running the club and have worked their butts off to sort out the mess left by he who cant be named.

**Magicme** · 14/02/2011, 1:18 PM

Originally Posted by Doomofman

Looking forward to the trip up actually.. Hope that KFC is still open :P

Sure is! But save room for the Mondogs!

**gufc2000** · 14/02/2011, 1:19 PM

Still hasn't sunk in for me yet, all along it seemed like we'd scrape over the line and a new era commence. The whole thing is just one big mess. How Delaney can save Drogheda and put them in the Premier after all thats gone on is a joke. Bohs the same way. Derry and Cork last year were just relegated one division, and Derry are back already.

We're paying for the mistakes of 2007 and 2008, the Board and management got too ambitious, and followed the trend of other LOI clubs by trying to buy success. The worst thing about it all is that we won nothing, and had 2 relegation battles. At least those before us had some great memories to look back on.

Don't know where this leaves the playing side of things. Connor will surely leave, not that I'd blame him.

**btid1** · 14/02/2011, 1:19 PM

Originally Posted by Mario

Their should be a bringing the league into disrepute clause that the FAI can use to refuse teams such as Bohs premier license based on their behaviour over the previous 12 months.

If this were the criteria we wouldn't have a league!

Oh Bohs were bold and therefore do not deserve a licence!!

Grow up FFS.

Bohs do not have any outstanding operational/football debts and therefore qualify for a license.Galway do and therefore don't qualify.End of!

**Dodge** · 14/02/2011, 1:37 PM

its all temporary of course, Bohs problems are far, far deeper than this licensing committee looks at. Still a long road ahead of them before they're safe

And nutsy paying 2 keepers isn't a good sign that he's wised up either

**Longfordian** · 14/02/2011, 1:47 PM

Sounds like ye just ran out of time. It's unfortunate but they're very strict on having it all done by the time of the meeting. Having said that, dropping out altogether is a harsh price to pay. A First Division Licence would have been fairer but under the rules it's all or nothing.

Originally Posted by gufct

We had an Agreement with the revenue on Thursday(a large 5 figure payment made in jan) but the decision maker was not available to sign the Agreement on friday that has been rectified today.One of the creditors sent an email confirming his agreement subject to our cheque clearing which takes 3 day and the other creditor had to discuss the matter with his solicitor and only could give us verbal agreement.

The total owed is less than �16k.The trust are only a fortnight into running the club and have worked their butts off to sort out the mess left by he who cant be named.

**marinobohs** · 14/02/2011, 1:48 PM

Originally Posted by Mario

Then the criteria are lacking!

Bohs have dragged the name of the league through the dirt and back again over recent months. And it will probably happen again when another winding up order comes in and / or when Zurich want their millions back.

Their should be a bringing the league into disrepute clause that the FAI can use to refuse teams such as Bohs premier license based on their behaviour over the previous 12 months. That should be part of the licensing criteria.

They do not deserve to be in the premier division!

Yes, indeed there should be a "some on FOOT.IE don't like them so they shouldn't get a licence" clause. And Bohs did not drag anything through the gutter two former players initiated legal action not the club (never let the facts get in the way of a good moan).
Best of luck to Galway if they decide to appeal, don't think anyone saw that (rather draconian) decision coming. i presume licencing committee explain rationale to clubs so unless there was different treatment for clubs (in application of rules not silly soundbite) then difficult to argue with the outcome. if, as suggested here, Galways problems are days from resolution it is fair to ask why this was not expidited as deadline was known.

**Mr A** · 14/02/2011, 1:54 PM

Yeah- the criteria for D1 and premier are in many cases the same (and rightly so). So it seems to me like Galway will either win and stay in the premier or lose and end up in the A Championship. Maybe they'll be fudged into D1, but that wouldn't really make any sense.

Which is all pretty hard on Monaghan, who are now in limbo...

**SkStu** · 14/02/2011, 1:58 PM

gutted for Galway. Best of luck in your appeal. That club has such potential.

Delighted for Monaghan all the same. Good club and good people like MagicMe. Deserve your chance at the premier if you get it.

Also delighted that Shams put their problems behind them and secured a Premier license again this year. I look forward to our continued rivalry.

**El-Pietro** · 14/02/2011, 1:59 PM

overrated

edit: the mondogs I mean

**jebus** · 14/02/2011, 2:00 PM

Usual fingerpointing going on over who is to blame for each clubs failings (oddly enoughly it's always with other clubs for some reason)

Galway didn't pay their players, Galway didn't deserve a license. End of story.

Any Galway fan giving out about the FAI can shut it after their lies held Dundalk back a few years ago as well

Congrats to Mons for their promotion