Quote1-6 then yeah?Originally Posted by Rasputin
I refuse to believe it will be more cringeworthy than the Merchandise Mc United game.
1-6 then yeah?
If the LOI select lose 2-0 3 times is that worse than 7-1?
I dont see how there is any sense in creating a LOI team unless it was billed as a sort of all star team; ie at the end of our season, like in the GAA.
In the middle of our league, and possibly (optimisticlly; which just goes to show how much faith FAI have) european participation, it is disruptive and just plain silly.
The league champions should be allowed go or i dno setanta cup champions, they would put up a more decent fight (see shams v juve) and most if not all LOI fans would get behind them....
That said i still cant fathom how those man ufans lived with themselves. As a united fan myself it was sickening to hear their cheers against an irish team.
you would think it would suit the irish soccer fan (particularly ABU's) to support the LOI team but nobody cares.
On a seperate note this came up in my sociology class. We were talking about identity and the lecturer says how hypocritical we are when we follow english teams but its taboo to support the english national team.
When i pointed out that its even more hypocritical to support the foreign team over your local team (or in this case the national representative team) which was proving his point he just said
"thats different because the quality of football in LOI is crap".
the ignorance...
The LOI select only plays Celtic and Man City, doesnt even play the 'Top Billing'!
Also don't players usually go away during this week off, id imagine holidays and weekend trips will be booked well in advance of a lazy Richardson selection... will be interesting to hear of 'injured' withdrawals!
Id like to address the animosity here towards irish fans of foreign teams . I'm a Celtic fan and have been since i was young. There are no LOI teams where im from or within 60 miles of where i grew up and all my friends were liverpool fans. Following an English team didnt sit right with me and having read about celtic and the irish connection thats who i felt comfortable with.
Now I watch a bit of LOI and as a neutral I can tell you good games to watch are few and far between and when they are good it is more to do with the commitment of the players than technical skill (not that celtic are technically brilliant either).
But, it does seem that some of yee like to play the martyr with your local this and that, where nowadays at any club of a reasonable standard most of the players are foreign to the area of the club .
Most people dont want to go to an empty stadium to watch players that couldnt make it abroad. The standard in the LOI over the last couple of years has declined and will never reach the standard it had with Cork and Derry a few years ago because they had to cheat(thebooks) to sign players of that quality.
I guess in following your local clubs yee are Martyrs slowly dying while watching inferior football year on year.
Im not happy bout this but the loi is just not good enough to attract a crowd because people that get out and go to matches in ireland are following the gaa or rugby and when they want to see top class football theres a ferry to manchester.
I dont know how to change this but this is the way it is unfortunately.
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Hello Murfinator.
Will give the benifit of the doubt that this post is not a wind up.
- no LOI club for 60 miles ? presume Glasgow and/or Liverpool is less far or your argument pointless.
- Following an English team did not sit right but following a scottish one fine ? bizarre logic
- level in Scotland is not much better than LOI and light years from EPL. If you want "top class football" then you should be watching EPL or La Liga. Following SPL is not much different to watching LOI and certtainly not much better standard.
- RE LOI clubs cheating (the books) I suggest you check out the financial position in Scotland, reigning champions Rangers might be a good place to start
- RE Rugby and GAA very different markets that have little impact (in my opinion) on LOI crowds.
- No ferry to manchester but your point is fair and as long as people, like yourself, seek any excuse - no matter how weak - to support a foreign team them LOI will have limited support.
If you really want a team with strong "Irish connection" then you will find the LOI is full of them and not a connection over a hundred years ago.
Now that Marino has firmly sorted that one out ever so eloquently... let's get back to the important matter of the Dublin *snigger* Super Cup.
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Just wanted to respond because as a relativly new LOI fan I used to follow united and specifically celtic for the same reasons as yourself.
You complain that there is no LOI team within 60 miles (which i actually dont believe) so you cant get attached and yet you research a team (presumably) miles away to find some sort of vague nationalistic connection.
In the GAA im from Dublin so i suppot them to the death but because my Grandad was from Galway they come next, I have a soft spot for Mayo for a variety of reasons and like to see the underdogs do well and basically anyone but Meath Kerry or Cork. Which basically covers me for every game.
Alot of people will follow a second GAA team because of their parents, or because they lived there etc.
Are you telling me that there is not one LOI team that you could find a remote connection with (at least as remote as glasgow celtic...)?
You say you watch it as a neutral which is fair enough but that the standard isnt nice to watch.
In the GAA no matter how ****e Dublin play or no matter how ****e the standard is people will follow their local (GAA) club.
Following a team isnt about their amazing skills its about an identity.
The standard in SPL is certainly not much better (see connor sammon) than LOI, and is surely in stark decline.
Its not that you *must* follow a LOI club and no other club anywhere or your not a real fan.
But that its so hypocritical (and i count myself as one of them) to get hyped up about some foreign team no matter how crap they are playing at a specific moment in time at the expense of any interest in a local team because the "standard" is not good.
The premier league can have **** games. La Liga has **** games. SPL certainly has **** games. Thats not what football is about.
This is actually something I wanted to touch upon.
The standard of GAA in the country is worse than the standard of LOI Football in this country.
Now many would rightly say, how can this be judged since they are different sporting codes.
Firstly there are many lads who could not cut it at Rovers underage teams that are now playing regularly for Sligo GAA, they couldnt meet the standard at Rovers.
I am sure it is the same for many other clubs around the country.
Also there is a massive chasm between professional athletes and amateur, the GAA is no different.
Ask any athlete that has made the step from amateur to professional, the difference is massive.
Last edited by Rasputin; 09/02/2011 at 8:27 AM.
well ye. Its not necessarily because in both codes the standard can be below par at times. But that in GAA we follow our team/county/club because of the identity we have the affinity we have with it. In every country in the world people follow their local soccer team with more pride than we see here.
There are examples of countries im sure which have a largeish fan base supporting premier league but i doubt youd get the sam hostility towards the LOI or the same condescending dismissal
Fair points are made about the GAA. Junior and Intermediate All-Irleand Clubs Championships are getting good support at this time. I've been to these games. The standard isn't great but it is all about identity.
Not having a LoI club within 60 miles is actually very credible. The distance from Tralee to Limerick is about 53 miles? Give or take 10% of the distance, 60 miles isn't far wrong. For the league to be strong, it needs a strong base. A strong base will come from having most, if not all, regions of the country having a LoI team. There should be a club within an hours drive for the majority of the population.
Sparky makes some good points, especially regards a second team or area. It's not going to apply to everyone though. I don't live in Kerry at the moment but I only want to get behind a Kerry club. I wish Limerick well but I'm not from Limerick so it's not the same. It's hard to get behind Tralee Dynamos when there is so much uncertainty as to where they will be after this years A Championship. Clubs outside the 22 aren't really part of the LoI footballing family. I haven't seen or heard them having in any say in the restructuring of the league.
One of the main problems there is having enough teams willing to step up and join the LOI. I would love a league with representitives from all over the country. It would add a great spread and would probably have fans travelling to counties that they never would have(non GAA fans anyway). If it wasn't for supporting the LOI I probably wouldn't have ever travelled to Athlone, Longford, Cobh or visited grounds like Terryland Park, Turners Cross, Tolka Park, Station Road, Buckley Park, St. Colemans etc....
Most people when they are younger follow the crowd and support English or Scottish clubs which is understandable. I would think most of us here did unless they where brought to LOI games since they where young.
Agree with Sparky too, the amount of rubbish EPL and SPL league games Ive watched over the last ten years or so out weighs the great ones if you ask me. Watching football or any sport for that matter isn't all about technical skill either. Its about excitement and competitiveness. You can have two crap teams play an entertaining competitive game. Look at the numbers that go out and watch non league football in England. They don't do it to watch the technical ability of the players but do it to support their home club or nearest club they feel affiliated to.
Oh and Dublin Super Cup Booooo.
Last edited by Jofspring; 09/02/2011 at 12:15 PM.
Don't sit too close to the screen. It can hurt your eyes.
To further the fields of analogies. I watched an american football game last sunday.
It started at 1130 it ifnished near on 3 am.
It took 45 minutes to run down 15 minutes on a clock! it also happened to be the super bowl final. Where its more of an occasion than a match, note the millitray jets!
most games including even the most memorable of football games (man u's comeback v munich) have some excitment in the midst of a relativly boring game.
Its the excitment, the passion, the emotions we feel as a result of those missed kicks, those horrible mistakes that lose/win a game, those split seconds that change a game, tiniest of inches keep a ball in or out (drogheda v kiev)
The "LOI has a crap standard of football" is the worst argument to make. period.
Last edited by sparky12345678; 09/02/2011 at 5:41 PM.
Would Tiger Woods meet the standard at Rovers?
He must be sh*t at golf so!
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