Originally Posted by TiocfaidhArmani
It'll be back, don't you worry.
On another note I hear Liverpool and Celtic are likely for next year. Roll on the party next year and rebel do's all over Dublin again
I don't doubt that for a second.
Yippee!!!
Huge number of Irish people in Liverpool due to emigration over the decades and were one of the earliest recipients of our EPL lovers when people travelled over on the old "cattle boats" since the 1950's leading up to the current numbers that regularly (if misguidedly) travel over week in week out. Far more links with Dublin (in particular) and Ireland than Scotlands second city has.As funny as a boot in the nuts
Or do these type of links only count when its Glasgow ?
In fairness, Glasgow does have a large Irish diaspora with very significant Donegal connections. There was even an area in the Gorbals known as "Little Donegal". Variants of surnames like Doherty, Boyle or O'Donnell are relatively common and it's no surprise that the roots of Irish Glaswegians such Aiden McGeady (Gweedore roots), James McCarthy (Gweedore roots), Owen Coyle (Gortahork-Gweedore roots), Ray Houghton (Buncrana roots) and Charlie Gallagher who played for Ireland were all Donegal-based.
We used to go on holidays to Gortahork when I was a kid. John Hume was always hanging around.
Just as Liverpool has a large Irish diaspora - and not just confined to Donegal. Personally dont get the "more Irish than the Irish" nonsence peddled by Celtic but each to thier own (perhaps if they stuck to the Donegal club rather than the Irish club)
No disagreement there.
Liverpool as a city, yes. As a football club, their founding had nothing to do with the Irish community there. Celtic on the other hand......
Some of you really don't know your history.
PS, the damage to the Players Lounge is not as bad as first thought. The front is extensively damaged but back of the pub is just smoke damage.
Everton were the club traditionally associated with the Irish diaspora in Liverpool, if I'm not mistaken.
Everton were the traditional Irish-Catholic club in a city where the orangemen marched freely. Years ago I was on a show in Torquay and a guest in my hotel, from Liverpool, asked me where I was from. I told him and he laughed, and told me he was from the capital of Ireland - Liverpool. I didn't take it on board but heard the same thing back home afterwards.
What we don't realise fully in Ireland is that for hundreds of years Irish people have moved over and back to GB - going back to late medieval times - for work or simply to survive. I know Magicme will support me in the case of Monaghan folks who ended up massively in one province in Canada who went via Glasgow. In the winter they worked in Glasgow and the West of Scotland, in summer they worked their small holdings in the drumlins. Eventually they got the call to head to a place called Prince Edward Island in Canada where to this day they consider themselves "real" Irish. I never had any problem with that, if it helps them sleep at night so be it. It's better that we tap into this diaspora than looking down our noses on them.
In Ireland we're more British than the British, so no surprise we still follow goings on on the mainland.
And you don't know your geography.
Is that you, Basil?
Despite the 'lose, lose, lose' theme of the last few days' European football, I'm happy to say that I managed to avoid the Super Cup completely and I am therefore not as miserable as I might otherwise be.
I actually had to avert my eyes at one stage over the weekend as they played a clip of one of the matches on a Ukrainian football programme.
I hope this farce never takes place again, but as a fairly recent follower of the LOI I'm beginning to see that hope is a dangerous thing, and so I guess there will be another installment.
Well I'm 'hoping' for a decent game in Cork tonight.
You know, it almost was :-)
Another "Irish" myth there Spud. Everton originated (as a club) from a Methodist church club (St Domingo's I think) in the suburb of Everton. The suburb was far from a catholic area and once hosted its own Free Presbyterian Church - not usually something assosiated with Irish catholicism.
Everton were favoured by early Irish "day trippers" (circa 1950's) as at that time they had a couple of Irish Internationals playing for them and were a first division team (glory hunting even then) . Goodison also hosted Irelands famous 2-0 win over England which I think was first oversees team to win in England.
Liverpool FC was formed in 1892 when Everton had a row with their landlord over rent and moved from their then home - Anfield. The owner of Anfield set up a new team and Liverpool FC came into being.
Anyway,apols for the EPL nature of this post I am away to wash the stench off myself
I heard Liverpool was set-up by an Orangeman. Not sure how true that is mind you, don't really care but thought I'd throw that out.
John Harding (I think) was his name. Owner of Anfield and landlord of Everton. When he put up the rent they (Everton) left and he formed Liverpool FC. Liverpool initially sourced a lot of players in Scotland where Harding had extensive business interests.
As Harding -founder of Liverpool FC - was formely involved with Everton any political/religious allegiance he may have had would likely be common to both clubs
And Manchester (which had an area called "Little Ireland", cos that matters). And Leeds. And London. And Brum.
If you attack me with stupidity, I'll be forced to defend myself with sarcasm.
Soooo, what we have learned from all of this is that Irish people got around back in the day. Maybe the New York Yankees have some Irish connection in their foundation. Maybe I'll start supporting them. Only if they're a good team and they win a lot mind.
It's worth remembering, too, that for a great many Irish people who moved to Britain before 1922, and for some afterwards, it was migration rather than emigration. Adopting a club in Britain was as much an act of assimilation in a new region as it was a statement of being Irish.
Correct - sure wasn't that franchise formed in Baltimore, which is named after a place in Bornacoola on the Leitrim/ Longford border, and it had an area known as "Little Mohill". And anyway everyone knows that the Mets are a protestant club (they even have orange in their colours ffs!) and the real catholic club in New York is the yankees.
FACT (well some is..)
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