Is Trapatonnis' position as manager now untenable re McCarthy

[paul_oshea]

But seriously fly, if he is writing it, its cos people are reading it.

[John83]

And he means that if what you quoted hinted at declining standards, the standard of English in your post suggested some sort of head trauma.

[paul_oshea]

And he means that if what you quoted hinted at declining standards, the standard of English in your post suggested some sort of head trauma.

I know, its muphrys law -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muphry%27s_law

Almost like a rhetorical question, in that I answered my own question through how poorly I wrote it .

[John83]

Paul, your post is to Muphry's Law what die Endlösung is to Godwin's.

[Stuttgart88]

Paul was so eloquent in his TV interview on Al Jazeera* yet he writes utter drivel sometimes. That's what frustrates me. He's like Darron Gibson, you know he can do it but he just doesn't. Paul's writing definitely has another couple of kilometers in it.

* my computer crashed when about to answer Paul earlier. No, I never saw it again.

[paul_oshea]

However I wrote what I wrote doesn't really matter. Its getting technical for the sake of it. The point is what matters.

He writes like a 12 year old. How has a 12 year old a job writing for a paper with a decent circulation. thats the point.

Stutts, i dont have time the time like others to check what I write, although with 9k + posts that is hard to argue, but mainly I'm at work and I cant be seen to be on this thing the whole time, so its quick in and go. Unlike the rest of you I don't have time to be dwelling over what I write and spending time thinking about it. So yes, we all have brain farts or whatever you want to call them, I just write them sometimes, but the points themselves I would stick by, however they are written.

[Stuttgart88]

only joking man, chill...

[paul_oshea]

No but its a fair point. but with this many posts its hard to get them all right

Long day, still on this work thing at home so...

Anyway Trap is the man for the job, feck the naysayers

[Crosby87]

You did an interview on Al-Jazeera?

[ArdeeBhoy]

James McCarthy has been called into the U21 squad for the Feb 9th game v Cyprus. This is a bad joke and surely brings into question not only Trapatonni's judgement but suggests he holds ridiculous grudges against certain players. With such a small pool of players to choose from we can't afford to be upsetting/demotting players like McCarthy. If this decision is not reversed then Trapatonni has to go.

With respect NG, this current supposition is as ridiculous as the one that James McCarthy is somehow the saviour of Irish soccer....

Trap might be a 'boring old fart' tactically/selection-wise but we're stuck with him until at least the summer, if not the autumn. Unless of course, Fate or illness intervene.

[Crosby87]

Ardhee Boy is watching too many old Sopranos episodes. "Carmine (Trap) is healthy as a horse. If anything were to happen to him, all these problems would go away. But he's healthy as a horse." Maybe we can get Dr Peepee to inject him with something during a "routine physical" arranged by Alfred Honn.
I kid, I kid.

[gastric]

The size of this thread plus the other thread show the impact the possibility of McCarthy changing allegiance has had on Irish supporters. If he does change I think it will be what Irish supporters remember most about Trap's reign along with Henry's goal. It's sad, but true that we often remember the bad things, rather than the good things. While this is hard to admit, it also gives me a better appreciation of how NI fans feel when we acquire their players like Wilson and Gibson, however, the best comparison would in fact be how Duffy changed allegiance.

[Stuttgart88]

You did an interview on Al-Jazeera?

He didn't let me get a word in edgeways. That's why I have it in for him.

[OwlsFan]

On Sport at 7 on RTE there was an interview with Mick Martin who was at the Slovakia v Cameroon match last night and will be reporting in detail to Trapp et al. Seems to have been a poor game with terrible pitch conditions and no enthusiasm on the part of the Slovakian players to engage in heroics (so probably not a lot to be learned from it in the context of our next outing). No mention of that in Hyland's rant against Trap.

[KK77]

The anti Trap media is starting to grow. I am not sure how Trap was supposed to get to see games the next day after an international but hey, it is nice to bash the Irish manager:

Evening Herald Article By Paul Hyland

Thursday February 10 2011

ARE you having a laugh, Giovanni? Darron Gibson's words and the perfect summariser for the Ireland manager's continuing and baffling bad-mouthing of James McCarthy.

But there's a bigger problem now than Trapattoni's loose tongue. It goes deeper than that.

Trapattoni and his assistant Marco Tardelli sat together at the Aviva Stadium last night, apparently scouting the opposition for the remaining Nations Cup fixtures this summer and that was really having a laugh.

Russia lost 1-0 to Iran in Abu Dhabi last night. Macedonia were beaten at home by Cameroon and Slovakia, almost unbelievably, lost in Luxembourg.

Surely Ireland's €2m manager could have learned something from travelling to one of those games, particularly Skopje where an African team found a way to beat Macedonia.

Instead, Trapattoni spent a few hours throwing petrol on the McCarthy story and just to add a bit more spice, once again pointed Gibson to the Old Trafford exit door.

Trapattoni's morning-after press conference is established as a more thoughtful and calm forum for discussing the immediate fallout from the last game. But yesterday was very different.

For the first time since he was hired, Trapattoni had to face an accumulation of tough questions, put off in the past out of deference first to his status in the game and more recently to his health.

As ever, his answers were contradictory but a recognisable theme has been established to deal with McCarthy and Gibson.

He spoke of McCarthy once again in disparaging terms; comparing the young Wigan midfielder to himself and Marco Tardelli at 21 and throwing the dreaded agent into the mix.

“We were men at 21. We did not ask an agent to decide for us. He must decide for himself – not the agent,” he said.

Later in an RTÉ interview with Tony O'Donoghue, he hardened his position further and heaped pressure onto McCarthy.

“We cannot force the player to play with us. He is 21 years old. I was a man at 20. I could decide which (club) to play (for). He is a free man, decide. We cannot ask why, why, why. Ask him.”

SPOKEN

But what is it that McCarthy has to decide? Ask him what? Unless Trapattoni knows something the rest of us don't about McCarthy's intentions, there is no issue about his nationality.

The most recent contact with McCarthy by anyone connected with the FAI came from Under-21 boss Noel King and he has indicated that there was no sign of a change of heart.

Trapattoni has not spoken to McCarthy and it would appear that when he claimed that he and Marco Tardelli had “called” him before the Algeria/Paraguay friendly series, he meant that he had called him into the squad.

Worse still, he does not see any value in a face-to-face meeting and he dragged up Stephen Ireland to justify this policy, unfairly bracketing McCarthy with the most extreme example he could find of a player unmoved by the excitement of representing his country.

This is now a farce. Trapattoni is doing nothing more than digging a bigger and bigger hole for himself. He is standing over ill-judged and intemperate remarks and seems happy to rake up deeply sensitive issues to prove some, as yet, unidentifiable point.

He roped Roberto Martinez into his argument when he claimed the Wigan manager told him the decision not to come to Dublin was taken by McCarthy.

In doing so, he revealed details of a private conversation. During all of this, he paused to take aim at Gibson again – not allowing the player to enjoy his fantastic goal for even 24 hours.

“He can do more,” Trapattoni insisted. “He has big potential and the right mentality but I said a year or a year and a half ago that if I were Gibson I would go to another club where I can play continuously.

“With this you can build your mentality. In the end, you need to play, play, play. “You can take confidence from this, but I think he is fantastic.”

You'd never guess. This is washing underwear in public. Take the player to one side and make a point, but does Trapattoni have to share it with the world if the impact is almost certainly going to be a negative one? It was actually six months ago when Trapattoni suggested that Gibson should leave Manchester United and this was the response. “If Trapattoni wants me to move somewhere like Stoke where I'll get more games, but have little chance of winning anything, then I just don't know,” Gibson then said. “To move on from United just doesn't make sense to me.”

INCONSISTENCY

The final and most telling inconsistency in Trapattoni's position is this: Gibson has made his decision to stay at Manchester United. Like Trap and Tardelli, who were “men at 21”, he is in control of his own destiny and made a choice.

Trapattoni believes it is the wrong choice but maybe he should just be a man and respect Gibson's position. Maybe he should just be a man, take a trip to see McCarthy in Wigan and repair the damage he has done.

And while he's at it, be a man and offer an olive branch to Andy Reid. Perhaps he could ask him to have a chat with McCarthy and if there is a need, explain why he is so proud to be an Irishman and how much it hurts to be on the outside looking in.

Paul Hyland.... enough said.

[tetsujin1979]

The anti Trap media is starting to grow. I am not sure how Trap was supposed to get to see games the next day after an international but hey, it is nice to bash the Irish manager:

Evening Herald Article By Paul Hyland

you had me right up until the highlighted section

[paul_oshea]

You did an interview on Al-Jazeera?

ya I was wearing a niqab inspired by my love of chuck norris films with suspenders underneath.

[paul_oshea]

Paul, your post is to Muphry's Law what die Endlösung is to Godwin's.

Yes it is, the idea behind muphrys law is that you try to correct someone and you make a mistake yourself in correcting them, ironic almost.

My post was ironic because i was asking the question of how a journalist as bad as that has a job in irish media, was it because the general public have become so ignorant and are happy with that level of writing and reporting, the irony in this case being that what i wrote was like what a 12 year old child would write.

[bennocelt]

Evening Herald Article By Paul Hyland




Russia lost 1-0 to Iran in Abu Dhabi last night. Macedonia were beaten at home by Cameroon and Slovakia, almost unbelievably, lost in Luxembourg.

Surely Ireland's €2m manager could have learned something from travelling to one of those games, particularly Skopje where an African team found a way to beat Macedonia.

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That quote is a but silly, I mean Jesus an African team, can u imagine

[Uncle_Joe]

My mam is a reader of the Evening Herald for as long as I can remember and for as long as I can remember Paul Hyland has consistantly written complete garbage for every article he has penned.
I imagine that the only people who actually take the guy serious are the silly housewives who buy the filthy rag. (No offense mam)