Is Trapatonnis' position as manager now untenable re McCarthy

[tetsujin1979]

Right back alright..right back on the bench for last game v Forest.
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to be fair, that was only the third game he's missed all season, and the first game he didn't start since October: http://irish-abroad.appspot.com/ClubDetails?clubID=747

[Wolfie]

On the McCarthy issue - best not let this one specific issue get blown out of proportion. I think the thread title is a tad melodramatic.

McCarthy is undoubtedly a quality propect but he's still a novice at club level, never mind international level.

I think the McCarthy situation is more symptomatic of a wider issue of who fits the system and who is trusted to play within it.

That said, assuming McCarthy is fully fit, should he play against Wales? Yes.

Is his absence from the fixture effectively rendering Trapps post untenable? No.

There are other players who I'd like to see get a run against Wales.

While its disappointing that McCarthy won't feature, hopefully the fixture can still be utilised by giving some fringe players a run.

[OwlsFan]

You have to laugh really.

McCarthy - playing for one of the worst teams in the Premiership. Described as "a class act". What is he doing playing for Wigan if he is a class act? He's not a bad player and he may turn in to a class act but it's too early to describe him as such. Such hyperbole was also used About Andy Reid currently guesting for mighty Sheffield United or perhaps he has returned from that den of superstars.

There is about as much hope of Trap being sacked as Stan being the next Man U manager. Unless he goes without taking a cent of what is owed to him he is here until the end of his contract because the FAI is in difficult financial position.

Trap may not pick the best players we have or at least include them in the squad. However, if anyone thinks that we would do any better with our squad of mediocre Premiership/Championship players under a different manager, even with the likes of Reid, McCarthy, please name that person. I look at Scotland Wales and think "there but for the grace of God go we".

We have an unbeaten away record and his problems seem to be at hone. His system works well away with the talent we have. It doesn't at home. I am surprised he hasn't been able to work that out yet and perhaps use a different system/players for the home games.

We are still in with a chance of qualification. A play off last campaign was an excellent result and but for a certain handball etc etc we might have made it. Once the campaign is over, his position should be reviewed then. Changing horses in midstream is not a good idea.

For the moment, despite not picking the players we think he should pick, I will continue to support him and the team.

[Stuttgart88]

Ya and what have his results been we all know how poor France and Italy were they were found out in the last world cup.we got hammered at home in a competitive game Aw bad as any as i can remember 3-o.we couldn't beat a poor Slovakia on the night and some friendly results have been terrible.

Who beat us 3-0 at home in a competitive game?

That poor Slovakia team got to the WC last 16, something we'd kill for. It was harder to play a talented French team over 2 legs in November when they didn't have 3 weeks cooped up together abroad to implode. Not beating Italy wasn't Trap's fault - poor finishing and poor concentration caused that. I've got criticisms of Trap but I think he barely put a foot wrong in Slovakia. Keane had a stinker and unless the bad defensive organisation at the corner is Trap's fault (it could well have been) not beating Slovakia isn't a stick to beat him with. We had enough experienced players to have seen that game through. I maintain that we played well enough to win that game, we just didn't. I've seen many a team play worse than we did and win.

Trap doesn't seem to know enough about who our best players are / were, or what their attributes are. McShane should never have been picked at full back over Kevin Foley, Keogh should never have been played wide midfield and so on. This, and our tendency to cede initiative when ahead, is what bugs me most.

[jbyrne]

the last two posts..... some sense at last on this topic

[SkStu]

as i said earlier the biggest factor in Trappatonis continued employment should be his results and achievements. He has not overly excited on either count so far. But, despite all my criticisms, i think he should get until the end of this campaign to address this. If he doesnt, then he should go.

To all his apologists can i ask a hypothetical question - what would you think if McCarthy switched allegiance to Scotland as a result of his ommission from Traps squad? To anticipate the answer that we wouldnt want that type of person playing for us, leave that to one side and ask yourself if 5 minutes against Andorra would have been too much to ask for.

[tetsujin1979]

why not ask the same question about players like Shane Lowry and Jim O'Brien changing allegiances under Trap's reign?

[SwanVsDalton]

I'd be really miffed. But it doesn't play on mind - there's simply no evidence whatsoever it will happen.

I do think he should've been capped competitively by now but it's got nothing to do with a potential nationality switch.

[SkStu]

why not ask the same question about players like Shane Lowry and Jim O'Brien changing allegiances under Trap's reign?

well neither of those players were playing regular premiership football at 19 years of age and performing very well in a poor team, were they? Isnt there slightly more at risk?

[Stuttgart88]

I agree, no brainer to cap McCarthy. Calling him up for Wales wouldn't tie him, but I guess you're referring to his frustration being the reason for defection. I don't think the allure of playing for Scotland is that great right now tbh.

I'm not an apologist but think that some criticism here is English tabloid stuff. Some of Trap's blind spots are bewildering though.

[SkStu]

I do think he should've been capped competitively by now but it's got nothing to do with a potential nationality switch.

absolutely. The switching of allegiances is the most drastic result of him not having been capped though.

[Brendan 82]

I love this "who do we think we are trying to beat Italy? They were in the WC Final!". What garbage, they couldn't even beat the mighty New Zealand

[SwanVsDalton]

I love this "who do we think we are trying to beat Italy? They were in the WC Final!". What garbage, they couldn't even beat the mighty New Zealand

Russia didn't even qualify for WC. They beat us up. Slovakia beat them and did qualify. But they only managed a draw against us. And Slovakia couldn't beat New Zealand either. So New Zealand = Slovakia > Russia > Ireland...right?!

Italy have quality players, by and large we don't. Poor World Cup doesn't change that.

[SkStu]

I'm not an apologist but think that some criticism here is English tabloid stuff..

sometimes the comedic tabloids make a welcome relief from the stern broadsheets though...

[Noelys Guitar]

Some of the above posts could be cut and paste jobs from the week before the Cyprus away game under Stan. Losing 5-2 away was'nt a bolt from the Blue. There was an underlying problem with both his tactics and team selections. And lets get this straight once and for all. The Slovakia team we played away was missing a number of their best players. They had also just been beaten by Armenia 3-1. We conceded (as in previous games under Trapattoni) a goal from a corner kick. We look vunerable from every corner kick against us which is ridiculous. As for his comments after the Russian defeat saying that no matter what formation he put out it might not have been good enough reeks of defeatism. We have three young players McCarthy, Coleman and Clark who genuinely have the potential to be playing for any of the top 6 sides in the Premiership in the near future. Not since Keane and Duff came on the scene have we had such talent. There is no rule book that says you must first play in a couple of friendlies to get picked to play in competitive games. The three players mentioned should be fast tracked straight into the side.

[boovidge]

Is James McCarthy going to turn us into world beaters overnight though? Traps a bit OTT conservative with his squad selections but I'd still rather that than handing out caps like confetti as in the Staunton reign. Even if we gave a few new faces a chance we'd still be doing well to qualify for tournaments. Ciaran Clark, McCarthy and Coleman aren't going to turn us into Spain.

[Noelys Guitar]

Is James McCarthy going to turn us into world beaters overnight though? Traps a bit OTT conservative with his squad selections but I'd still rather that than handing out caps like confetti as in the Staunton reign. Even if we gave a few new faces a chance we'd still be doing well to qualify for tournaments. Ciaran Clark, McCarthy and Coleman aren't going to turn us into Spain.

How will we know until they get to play a few games for the senior team. But again look at the players that are being picked. A first division player, a guy not getting his game for Stoke and a guy who was on the bench for Derby in their last game and who played right back when Derby got beaten by Crawley. No justification for it.

[gastric]

Trap's continuing conservative attitude and picking of experienced players continues to frustrate many including myself, particularly when it comes to friendlies and the upcoming Celtic Cup. We do need to get McCarthy qualified as to lose him would be bloody stupid and the longer we risk it the higher the chances of him reconsidering his options.
No, he will not make us as good as Spain, but his promise along with the likes of Meyler in midfield certainly give me a feeling of excitement for the future. And this to me is the biggest problem with Trap's game plan and the teams he puts out. Where is the excitement? Where is the blooding of future players who will one day lead the team? Trap's objectives are very short term and in truth are boring me to the point of not really being interested.

[Noelys Guitar]

Trap's continuing conservative attitude and picking of experienced players continues to frustrate many including myself, particularly when it comes to friendlies and the upcoming Celtic Cup. We do need to get McCarthy qualified as to lose him would be bloody stupid and the longer we risk it the higher the chances of him reconsidering his options.
No, he will not make us as good as Spain, but his promise along with the likes of Meyler in midfield certainly give me a feeling of excitement for the future. And this to me is the biggest problem with Trap's game plan and the teams he puts out. Where is the excitement? Where is the blooding of future players who will one day lead the team? Trap's objectives are very short term and in truth are boring me to the point of not really being interested.

Great post and gives me hope. Skstu, Mr O'Shea and Trapapony and others sussed out the situation before the rest of us and deserve great credit for swimming against the tide of imbeciles (card carrying member myself). Your now a tabloid sensationilist if you question the ability of a very suspect manager. By people who went to same college as Cowen and Fitzpatrick!

[bennocelt]

Great post and gives me hope. Skstu, Mr O'Shea and Trapapony and others sussed out the situation before the rest of us and deserve great credit for swimming against the tide of imbeciles (card carrying member myself). Your now a tabloid sensationilist if you question the ability of a very suspect manager. By people who went to college with the lowlifes who ****ed up this country.

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