Is Trapatonnis' position as manager now untenable re McCarthy

**geysir** · 27/01/2011, 10:05 PM

Typical reaction from the usual suspects who (in their almost drunken rambles) miss the obvious point, which is, should Noel King get the boot for putting James' career in some jeopardy by calling him up to the u21 squad for a friggin' pothole ridden friendly?

**osarusan** · 27/01/2011, 10:18 PM

The games coming up are utterly unimportant games, and as such should be used for experimentation with new players and formations (though I doubt we'll see much of the latter). As long as Trapattoni does some experimentation, I'd not complain too much.

We may not know the full extent of communication between Wigan / McCarthy / Trapattoni. Maybe Trap had agreed to leave him out before he recovered completely. I do wonder why he wasn't added to the squad seeing as how he seems 100% again now.

I'd agree with Tetsujin in that a mananger should be judged by results, and even then, only by competitive results in my opinion. What happens in the Celtic Cup in terms of results is of little importance to me at least.

**Razors left peg** · 27/01/2011, 10:26 PM

Originally Posted by osarusan

The games coming up are utterly unimportant games, and as such should be used for experimentation with new players and formations (though I doubt we'll see much of the latter). As long as Trapattoni does some experimentation, I'd not complain too much.

We may not know the full extent of communication between Wigan / McCarthy / Trapattoni. Maybe Trap had agreed to leave him out before he recovered completely. I do wonder why he wasn't added to the squad seeing as how he seems 100% again now.

I'd agree with Tetsujin in that a mananger should be judged by results, and even then, only by competitive results in my opinion. What happens in the Celtic Cup in terms of results is of little importance to me at least.

If that was the case than surely Noel King would have been informed. And you are right, the results in the Celtic Cup mean absolutely nothing so it is the perfect time to have a look at something other than what we have already seen

**Serb** · 27/01/2011, 10:31 PM

Trappatoni is never going to get sacked due to the massive payout he would receive. If we don't qualify for Euro 2012, I would be very disappointed to see his contract renewed however. He came in at a real low for Irish football and his conservative tactics and his consistent squad selections were exactly what we needed at a time of turmoil and crisis. The team is stable now and has the players have the confidence that they lacked under Staunton, but I feel like now is the time to push on, start taking risks and introduce a bit of flair into the team. I wouldn't panic just yet, but we will know for sure over the coming squad selections if Trap is really willing to blood our youngsters or if there are silly politics going on behind the scenes.

As far as the results have gone, Trappatoni hasn't been much better that Staunton. His win ratio is similar (37% for Trap vs 35% for Steve), but where he has really been let down is the number of times that Ireland has surrendered a lead. It's the sit back and defend the one goal lead that works well for teams like Italy because they actually have good defenders and can let the opposition have the ball. In my opinion, we actually need to work much harder pressing opponents and trying to win the ball when we take the lead.

Examples of matches that I'm talking about:

Ireland v Bulgaria (surrender the lead with 16 minutes remaining)
Bulgaria v Ireland (lead held for 4 minutes)
Ireland v Italy (lead held for 3 minutes)
Cyprus v Ireland (lead held for 20 mins, went on to win)
Slovakia v Ireland (lead held for 20 minutes)

Out of those games, we only won one of the four I would expect us to win. Beating Italy would have been nice, and made for a tense final group game, but you couldn't be too disappointed with that one.

Though, like another poster said, whether we qualify or fail to qualify, I'd also expect this to be Trappatoni's final campaign.

**ArdeeBhoy** · 27/01/2011, 11:41 PM

Good post there Serb.

Someone says we don't have a ready-made replacement, a risk, but would love to see Sean O'Driscoll given the chance.
Hughton & O'Neill rightly have PL 'delusions', so it won't be them yet unless yer Digicell man wants to offer more high wages, albeit in a recession?

**Dodge** · 27/01/2011, 11:48 PM

ha ha love this thread.

McCarthy is the combined progeny of Brady, Giles, McGrath and Maradona it seems

**CraftyToePoke** · 28/01/2011, 12:06 AM

Originally Posted by Dodge

McCarthy is the combined progeny of Brady, Giles, McGrath and Maradona it seems

And Fahey, dont omit Fahey !

**Yard of Pace** · 28/01/2011, 1:17 AM

Originally Posted by Dodge

ha ha love this thread.

McCarthy is the combined progeny of Brady, Giles, McGrath and Maradona it seems

Compared to Paul Green he's actually better than that.

**Noelys Guitar** · 28/01/2011, 3:37 AM

Originally Posted by geysir

Typical reaction from the usual suspects who (in their almost drunken rambles) miss the obvious point, which is, should Noel King get the boot for putting James' career in some jeopardy by calling him up to the u21 squad for a friggin' pothole ridden friendly?

I'm sure King went ahead and picked McCarthy without the OK from Trapatonni. Its an insult to the player and to the fans. We are not a club side whereby the wayward player is sent to play with the youth team or completely frozen out like Andy Reid.. If Staunton had pulled stunts like that the Trap apologists would have crucified him. Trap has increased the pressure on the team by this decision (especially on those who start in central midfield against Macedonia). He is alienating large swathes of Irish supporters. And that is bad management.

**Noelys Guitar** · 28/01/2011, 5:27 AM

Originally Posted by Yard of Pace

Compared to Paul Green he's actually better than that.

Agree. Now playing right back for Derby. I wonder if Trap knows that?

**irishfan86** · 28/01/2011, 5:45 AM

Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar

Agree. Now playing right back for Derby. I wonder if Trap knows that?

I think it was only for a game or two in an emergency circumstance, no?

**shakermaker1982** · 28/01/2011, 6:33 AM

I've always thought the Trap stood down at the end of this campaign. Have I got that wrong? I know it has never been announced officially but I've got that impression.

**jbyrne** · 28/01/2011, 8:42 AM

Originally Posted by paul_oshea

Ya and what have his results been we all know how poor France and Italy were they were found out in the last world cup.we got hammered at home in a competitive game Aw bad as any as i can remember 3-o.we couldn't beat a poor Slovakia on the night and some friendly results have been terrible.

france and italy contested the previous wc final and were not as poor as their world cup performances when we played them. who are we that we can consider only losing once to two football world superpowers over 4 matches a poor return? a bit of reality please. we were a complete shambles when trap took over, complete shambles.

re your comment on friendlies. we beat 3 teams that appeared in the wc and didnt do too bad over a 12 month period under trap

**LFCSixty/Eighty** · 28/01/2011, 8:46 AM

This is an absolute ridiculous decision. I'm sure Wigan would much prefer him to take small part in the welsh match in Dublin rather than traveling out to Cyprus for a game he will surely play 90 minutes in.

We should be very grateful that McCarthy seems to be level headed, because if we were dealing with a Stephen Ireland type individual this could have been the moment when he told Trap where to stick it.

I just pray that this will not happen.

**paul_oshea** · 28/01/2011, 9:19 AM

Originally Posted by jbyrne

france and italy contested the previous wc final and were not as poor as their world cup performances when we played them. who are we that we can consider only losing once to two football world superpowers over 4 matches a poor return? a bit of reality please. we were a complete shambles when trap took over, complete shambles.

re your comment on friendlies. we beat 3 teams that appeared in the wc and didnt do too bad over a 12 month period under trap

I think my point holds up after serbs post, in fairness. Granted stuantons period in charge was thus far a 12 months or so longer. The stats hold up for themselves.

He has made us more competitive however, and we have lost less games, but has trap had better players at his disposal than Staunton, even if he did "find" them.

I don't care where france and italy were 5 years ago, italy were an ageing team, 3 years is a long time in football.

**Alf Honn** · 28/01/2011, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by irishfan86

I think it was only for a game or two in an emergency circumstance, no?

Right back alright..right back on the bench for last game v Forest.
Derby

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02 Brayford
05 Barker
06 Leacock yellow card
20 Addison
21 Moxey two yellow cards, red card
08 Savage yellow card (Bailey 55)
28 Davies
10 Commons (Davies 88)
12 Porter
27 Bueno yellow card

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**jbyrne** · 28/01/2011, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by paul_oshea

I think my point holds up after serbs post, in fairness. Granted stuantons period in charge was thus far a 12 months or so longer. The stats hold up for themselves.

He has made us more competitive however, and we have lost less games, but has trap had better players at his disposal than Staunton, even if he did "find" them.

I don't care where france and italy were 5 years ago, italy were an ageing team, 3 years is a long time in football.

dont need to go back 5 years. both qualified for euro 2008 and both had superb players regularly playing in the champions lge when we played them.

trap is entitled to pick who he wants. sure posters here have been having a pop at trap before for the non inclusion of the likes of garvan and mccann.... are they even playing for their clubs at the moment?

mccarthy is only back playing after a serious injury and hopefully will prove to be a great player for us but demanding his inclusion when hes only back from a long term injury is pushing it a bit.

**geysir** · 28/01/2011, 10:17 AM

McCarthy is much too valuable to be in the u21 friendly. The last time such a class player was asked to perform duties beneath his stature on some island location, putting his physical well being at high risk, we had Saipan.
King has to go, before the inevitable storm clouds gather.