QuoteWe force it on them when we play at the Aviva.Originally Posted by Macy
I am always amazed at the good grace of our northern brethren that they don't make more of an issue of this.
You play for Ireland, listen to the Irish anthem. Don't like it, play for someone else if it's that important to them.
I'm sure Eoin Morgan doesn't like listening to the British anthem, but he chose to play for England, so has to put up with it. They're not going to change their anthem for him.
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We force it on them when we play at the Aviva.
I am always amazed at the good grace of our northern brethren that they don't make more of an issue of this.
The Irish rugby team represents the entire island (which, whether you like it or not, includes, for the time being at least, another State), not the Republic of Ireland. The comparison with Eoin Morgan is completely inaccurate.
Last edited by gormacha; 10/10/2011 at 8:33 PM.
Wow. Bravo guys. Great knicker twisting.
Eoin Morgan has chosen to play
for England and Wales and so be it. They are the only first class side in this part of the world and like Ed Joyce before him he had the talent (the b@stards) to step up to that level and long may that continue, whilst we don't have a test side. That the EwCB use GSTQ is irrelevant to this bizarre argument.
The IRFU as the organisation whose team represents rugby union on this island have a long stated anthem policy which Is remarkably admirable. When the team play abroad Ireland's Dirge is played. When we play in Dublin (or anywhere else in Connacht, Munster, Leinster, Donegal, Cavan or Monaghan), the Dirge and Amhran na bhFiann are played. When we play in Tyrone, Fermanagh, Derry, Antrim, Down or Armagh, the Dirge and GSTQ SHOULD be played. Unfortunately when we played in Ravenhill in 2007 they made a balls of it and relented on playing GSTQ.
I love AnbhF; I loathe GSTQ but I respect the traditions of all sectors of this great country. Sure, my own provenance gives me no choice but to!
Any talk about replacing the Dirge with something else which ignores the minority tradition on this island misses the point entirely.
Good points and agree
So I mentioned Danny Boy but that wasn't entirely popular, is there any other song that we could use that would be universally popular north and south?
I think we need a thread in Current Affairs.
This is the Rygbi thread.
Possession Ireland 58% Wales 42%
Territory Ireland 62% Wales 38%
Tackes Ireland 100 Wales 150
Carries Ireland 136 Wales 95
Forget about the performance or entertainment. It's only the result that matters.
But doesn't that go to show how stats can be misleading? Wales had all the penetration, and conversely, they also seemed in control when in defence, just as we did against Australia. We however looked toothless - O'Gara, O'Connell and O'Driscoll neutralised; Warburton dominating the breakdown; and wales winning the midfield and spoiling the lineout.
It reminded me of the 1991 Final, when England dominated possession and territory, but Australia won. Only the English afterwards felt they were robbed. I sense the same about us in this game.
How do you think Sth Africa feel?
So how do we feel about that tackle?
Delighted with that French victory. Now, here's hoping for an antipodean victory in the final.
Jeez typical French, great against the English and bloody very lucky against the Welsh. Would have liked the Welsh to win but then I remember how much a vanker Gatland is.
All about Gatland. Though the Welsh chip is second only to a Corknians' and ever so slightly ahead of the Aussie's. Delighted they're out.
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Nah, I'm very disappointed for them. Harsh decision by Rollaind, but technically correct I understand.
I watched the game with Ramon Vega, in my second football celebrity incident in 8 days! I take my kids to tennis lessons on Sat mornings and his kid is in the same class. I was one of 4 dads watching the rugger in the clubhouse, he was one of the others. Funny guy actually, good sense of humour.
It looked like he was only intending to hit him hard, and he "found" the French guy in his arms rather than deliberately lifting him with a view to dropping him. He then looked to slam him down but late in the move eased off and looked to ease him down. Now all this happened in about a falf-second but I don't think it was a malicious incident, like the NZ job on BO'D a few yeras ago. What do you do if you have a 14-15 stone body in your hands with your feet not properly set? It's hard to do much other than what he did I reckon.
He was set enough to be straight challenging for a turnover. He should've kept hold of him and dump tackled him.
I thought it was harsh enough that is was a sending off rather than a sin bin. However, it's clear that he followed the rules and IRB directives to the letter. Dropping him made it a dangerous tackle, IRB say that's a red card. Absolutely pathetic coverage of the incident on ITV - if RTE can pull out the relevant rules and directives, how come ITV can't when their show was on even longer? Instead they hung Rolland on the incident.
Last edited by Macy; 15/10/2011 at 12:20 PM.
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That's why you just don't watch rugby on itv. Their coverage of all sports is sh1te.
Brent and Frankie were livid with Tom but the knowledge and ability of the RTÉ coverage is really something.
I don't think there was anything malicious with the tackle. But it was definitely dangerous.
I am livid with Frankie over his comments "He wasn't that injured" isn't the point. Indeed it's a dangerous comment to make. By Sheehan's estimation, and he maintained the injury as a factor in his subsequent points, Warburton would have had to injure Clerc for there to be a red card which is silly. Governing bodies don't legislate on the severity of injury, they do so to try and prevent situations where sever injures can occur.
As for this incident itself. The IRB rules are clear, intent is not a mitigating factor and it's a straight red. Better explanation here http://p.twimg.com/AbyShhqCQAI1G62.jpg:large
The responsibilities on those playing extends beyond intending to cause harm. Risking the safety of another player, in a situation where it is avoidable, has the same potential consequences irrespective of intent.
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Wales could have done with O'Gara to get those few points.
It didn't have the feel of a semi final, lacked the class you'd associate with a semi final, especially Jones fluffing a doable conversion and bottling out of a (better than doing nothing) drop goal attempt.
I don't know the ins out of those type of spear tackles but that one seemed to tick all the boxes.
Letting a player drop to the ground with the full weight to land on his neck, is seriously dicing with a crippling injury.
I don´t know where this "he wasn't driven into the ground" comes from, wouldn't that be a 'stake tackle'?
People seem to think a spear tackle involves driving somebody into the ground, possibly because of what happened to O'Driscoll in New Zealand. It's arguably more dangerous just to drop somebody as Warburton did (even though he did try to guide him down in the end). Definite red card.
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