Summary of clubs in difficulty at the moment

**Longfordian** · 17/01/2011, 3:35 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

How much did the Trust raise last year? And how many people are involved?

Somewhere around 80 or 90 members I think at the moment. They've been keeping quiet on figures as they've been negotiating deals with creditors and don't want to be seen as gloating about it. They've eliminated a good bit of the debt over the past couple of years from what I've heard.

**pineapple stu** · 17/01/2011, 3:53 PM

Jayz. That's a decent membership given ye get crowds of 200-300!

**bluemovie** · 17/01/2011, 3:59 PM

Originally Posted by Longfordian

Don't know what the story is with Athlone.

They've just appointed Mike Kerley as manager so I'd say it's safe to assume they'll be in major difficulty soon enough. Gate receipts will fall sharply after the first few defeats to Salthill and Mervue. Sorry, Athlone fans, I wish you the best, but that man is THE worst manager of all-time.

**legendz** · 17/01/2011, 3:59 PM

Originally Posted by Longfordian

Somewhere around 80 or 90 members I think at the moment. They've been keeping quiet on figures as they've been negotiating deals with creditors and don't want to be seen as gloating about it. They've eliminated a good bit of the debt over the past couple of years from what I've heard.

Is this Trust going to be running the club going forward, or is it already? It's good to hear the club are getting close to a sound financial footing. The Drog's might want to have a look at what ye've been at.

**Lim till i die** · 17/01/2011, 4:01 PM

Originally Posted by bluemovie

They've just appointed Mike Kerley as manager so I'd say it's safe to assume they'll be in major difficulty soon enough. Gate receipts will fall sharply after the first few defeats to Salthill and Mervue. Sorry, Athlone fans, I wish you the best, but that man is THE worst manager of all-time.

No he isnt.

Can't see gate receipts falling too sharply from the might 80 or so that attended their final game of last season.

**pineapple stu** · 17/01/2011, 4:10 PM

Mike Kerley who took Limerick to the play-offs with a squad of ten players? Thought that was a decent enough appointment myself.

**Lim till i die** · 17/01/2011, 4:13 PM

Exactly.

Amazing second half to his first year with Limerick, poor second year in shocking circumstance, disaster below in Waterford, mildly successful second stint in Limerick, was a lunatic to quit when he did.

It's patchy but it's not the cv of the worst manager ever.

Overall, if Athlone can keep him from having one of his funny turns he'll do alright, the football will be a refreshing change aswell.

**bluemovie** · 17/01/2011, 4:29 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Mike Kerley who took Limerick to the play-offs with a squad of ten players? Thought that was a decent enough appointment myself.

That's what we thought when we got him! I didn't want to reply to Lim till I die cos it's too far off-topic, but here's a brief one. Maybe I'll rephrase to far and away Waterford's worst ever manager (and we've had millions), but any Blues fan will refer to him as "the worst manager ever". Great first season with Limerick, but since then? Not only was his record at Waterford Played 17 Won 0 Drew 3 Lost 14 (including 10 in a row before he left), but in several of those matches, we didn't have a single shot on target, he ruined players' confidence, their fitness and discipline was shocking (as said by his replacement and admitted by players) and yet he promised we'd finish in the top half of the Premier Division. I thought his Limerick team a few years ago were poor. Scully has done miles better.

**Dodge** · 17/01/2011, 4:40 PM

He was Dolan's assistant at Cork too wasn't he?

**L.T.F.C.** · 17/01/2011, 4:41 PM

Originally Posted by legendz

Is this Trust going to be running the club going forward, or is it already? It's good to hear the club are getting close to a sound financial footing. The Drog's might want to have a look at what ye've been at.

I think the trust is a totally separate entity from the Club and the running of it.

**Spudulika** · 17/01/2011, 4:47 PM

Thanks for the clarification on the UEFA licences, while I don't want to begrudge Pats a spot in Europe, I also don't want to see Bohs go out on a technicality, though it worked for Dundalk last year and I couldn't complain. No club is ever safe and I wonder how any club would get on with the removal of a backer, if UCD lost the taxpayers they'd be in real trouble. Fingal sound like they're going to be alright, thankfully. A question on Galway, how much are they really in debt? I was told they're carrying in excess of half a millin euros but read here a million. So what's the real figure.

**Lim till i die** · 17/01/2011, 4:48 PM

Originally Posted by bluemovie

I thought his Limerick team a few years ago were poor. Scully has done miles better.

The one that beat ye 5-1 and killed off your promotion hopes?? They were playing excellent football towards the end of that season in fairness

Also Scully has had many many multiples of his budget to work with I'd imagine. Having said that you give Mike a few bob and there's always every chance he'll spend it on nonsense.

Don't get me wrong I'm no big Mike Kerley fan, well aware of some of his fairly obvious flaws, I just thought worst manager of all time was a bit strong.

**bluemovie** · 17/01/2011, 4:53 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

He was Dolan's assistant at Cork too wasn't he?

No. That was the other Limerick manager Noel O'Connor who's now at Wexford. The link to this thread may be tenuous, but if Athlone want their attendances to increase, their fans deserve better than Brendan Place and Mike Kerley. Kerley says his teams play good football, but we never had the ball when he was in charge so we didn't play football of any kind.

**John83** · 17/01/2011, 4:54 PM

Originally Posted by Spudulika

No club is ever safe and I wonder how any club would get on with the removal of a backer, if UCD lost the taxpayers they'd be in real trouble.

Yeah, it'd be terrible. We wouldn't have the money to enter a team into the intervarsities, and my years of completely ignoring the Collingwood Cup would come to a middle.

**Longfordian** · 17/01/2011, 4:57 PM

Originally Posted by L.T.F.C.

I think the trust is a totally separate entity from the Club and the running of it.

Yeah it's different people than are involved in the running of the club. They have no plans to get involved day to day, they don't need the hassle. As regards the numbers there's a fair few that signed up that don't even go to matches but would have goodwill towards the club. Even John Delaney is a member!

**bluemovie** · 17/01/2011, 4:58 PM

Originally Posted by Lim till i die

The one that beat ye 5-1 and killed off your promotion hopes??

I thought Scully had taken over by then. My mistake. One of my favourite memories of Magic Mike is him sending out Paul Ometeso and Andy Polewczak to take on Kevin Hunt and Gareth Farrelly in midfield in Dalymount. Lambs, slaughter.

**Ezeikial** · 17/01/2011, 6:41 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

Bohs
Biggest question?
What happens if Bohs don’t get premier license? They be in first division with huge contracts and without the six figure sums raised by fans? Are Bohs effectively blackmailing the league. License must be an issue for them, otherwise why mention it?

A big question to my mind is the exact link between paying (or agreeing) outstanding money to players and the licensing requirements. There must be a cut-off date.

Originally Posted by marinobohs

Dodge, not 100% certain (nobody is at Dalymount

) but think the following is where we are at - Some of the funds raised went to pay players for November (players were originally told they could/would not be paid once season ended).

Could it be that the payment of players to end November is significant in that it complies with licensing requirements cut-off (i.e. footballing debts incurred after 30 Nov not relevent for 2012 licensing)?

Originally Posted by marinobohs

Unless deal done with all players then we cant apply for a licence so there would be less (no ?) urgency in doing any deal with players at all. As has been said elsewhere an element of brinkmanship between the parties (club and players) which may run all the way to end January. Not a chance members/fans could raise enough to complete deal with players so if loan deal does not work they are not getting paid (our next fixture would be the courts)
Outside of 3/4 players that resign on reduced terms I dont think we will have any budget for next season.
Apart from reaching agreement with the players I am unaware of anything stopping us getting a licence.

Has there been any clarification from Bohs as to whether a license has been applied for or not?

Suerly there could well be a myriad of reasons why license may not be granted - SCP, late/no license application, lack of sustainability of 2012 club budget, perceived inability to meet 2012 commitments, absense of tax clearance certification etc etc

**SkStu** · 17/01/2011, 7:01 PM

any questions about the other teams at all Ezekial or just obsessed with Bohs?

Anyway,

A big question to my mind is the exact link between paying (or agreeing) outstanding money to players and the licensing requirements. There must be a cut-off date.

Of course theres a cut off date. From my recollections of the Cork occasion, I believe it is early February. I also believe the ILC granted extensions to Cork after the official deadline.

Could it be that the payment of players to end November is significant in that it complies with licensing requirements cut-off (i.e. footballing debts incurred after 30 Nov not relevent for 2012 licensing)?

I presume you meant 2011 licensing. I think that Nov 30th signifies the end of one season of the 2 season contracts with the players in question as it was the date that we released all our free agents. I could be wrong but i know that one of the pre-conditions for the first step of applying for a license was payment in full of players up to November 30th. Im almost sure we would have to be fully up to date and/or have reached a settlement with those players still in contract to be successful in our application.

Has there been any clarification from Bohs as to whether a license has been applied for or not?

yes. There have been numerous press releases from Bohs that mentioned our appication for a 2011 license.

Suerly there could well be a myriad of reasons why license may not be granted - SCP, late/no license application, lack of sustainability of 2012 club budget, perceived inability to meet 2012 commitments, absense of tax clearance certification etc etc

of course there are (not that your list is necessarily any or all of those reasons). What MB was saying is that if we can settle with the players then that is the biggest stumbling block for Bohemians as far as licensing goes.

**The Lep** · 17/01/2011, 9:43 PM

I thought i read somewhere at the end of november/start of December from the Fai saying that they couldnt do anything to Bohs regarding Licence as up to that deadline Bohs had been in order. Possible come the next deadline Bohs will have paid up and will get a Premier licence and get down to business for the new season. The last i heard was that Fenlon was talking to a few potential new players so he must know something that we dont.

**BonnieShels** · 17/01/2011, 10:06 PM

Originally Posted by The Lep

I thought i read somewhere at the end of november/start of December from the Fai saying that they couldnt do anything to Bohs regarding Licence as up to that deadline Bohs had been in order. Possible come the next deadline Bohs will have paid up and will get a Premier licence and get down to business for the new season. The last i heard was that Fenlon was talking to a few potential new players so he must know something that we dont.

That sounds like the "F" word.

Also someone asked about us at Tolka, We're there for the forseeable- Unless someone else from the club can confirm?