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**Slash/ED** · 24/05/2004, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by max power

please read what i have posted above, gurantee's given by certain clubs to tv 3 that the gantrees would be improved were not done....even at the start of this season they gave them a chance to get it done, it wasn't and they were told to fcuk off and get their own stuff........

once again that is not gossip, but fact from tv 3 staff, also the indo ran the same story last week......

How many clubs did that? Since they normally showed around 3 premier matches a week, is it enough clubs to justifty cancleing the whole thing?

what those clubs did was disgraceful, b the way, but I still think that this decision is mainly because TV3 are looking for a way out. Still, the clubs are even worse for giving them one on a plate if what you say is true.

**max power** · 24/05/2004, 11:57 AM

40% of premier clubs... cause 2 clubs play at both tolka and richmond....

its a stand tv 3 are making to highlight the lack of co operation they are gettin from certain clubs, its the only way anything will be doen, shame them into it, as sad as it sounds its the only way they could get it done....

tv3 don't mind showing the el coverage as its a good pr point for them, rte weren't bothered so tv 3 show that they are...the ratings weren't too bad but they knew the show had to improve, 2 pundits was the first change, decent package to feel the waters and then push that weekly until the show was almost an hour long, with an extre break for ad revenue...

but no help from certain clubs has put an end to that, you'll notice neither club have denied any comments made by tv 3 or in the indo ??

**eoinh** · 24/05/2004, 12:02 PM

well max, if that was their plan, lets hope it works.

this could result in better facilities, better standards and a better show.

No even el clubs are that stupid to let the show go down the tubes.

**wws** · 24/05/2004, 12:04 PM

they're actually contractually obliged to - and have broken that contract

tv gantries my b0ll0x - its not an issue and the one at richmond has been secured - there is NO excuse now

**A face** · 24/05/2004, 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by max power

also the indo ran the same story last week......

Oh fcuk ..... didnt know that ... dont mind the beechin' as long as the general public dont know. Man ... we have to sort ourselves out.

Slash/ED ..... no showing the other footage is for two reasons i'd say .... firstly it is too hard to show highlights when you are trying to stretch the footage. the second is the auld push trun to shove tactic, TV3 are leading the clubs by the hand, showing them what they need to do and hope that they'll do the right thing for the league. A national broadcasting company trying to get clubs to sort themselves out. Madness

Is there any chance we can find out who told TV3 to go fcuk off ..... you know a scape goat ... we could make him responsible and all that goes with.

**max power** · 24/05/2004, 12:05 PM

after having a chat with a couple of the tv 3 lads on sat night, that is the plan....hope it works

**max power** · 24/05/2004, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by wws

they're actually contractually obliged to - and have broken that contract

tv gantries my b0ll0x - its not an issue and the one at richmond has been secured - there is NO excuse now

they have not broken any cntract as serious health and safety issues were raised and not fixed, so they are well with their rights to stop going to richmond, plus they showed the cork game last week so highlights were shown by tv 3 so no contract was broken.....

btw richmond is not the only ground in question

**A face** · 24/05/2004, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by wws

they're actually contractually obliged to - and have broken that contract

tv gantries my b0ll0x - its not an issue and the one at richmond has been secured - there is NO excuse now

Is this the attitude shared by your club aswell .... is this why we are in this pickle ..... St. Patricks Athletic ... the club that invented football ...... come off the stage .... we all can see who is causing the problem ...... everyone is tip toeing around ye (i agree with that seeing as things aren't the best with you right now, need to cut you some slack) ...... and you are not standing ot be counted and trying to sort the problem.

I am sorry wws .... you dont have a leg to stand on. I wouldn't mind if it were just yourselves .... but this time it involves the whole league. Not youselves so everything you do as regards this situation effects everyone.

Take it on the chin, every club has gone through different scrapes ..... but dont defend the indefendable (is that a word?)

Gantries .... co-operation ..... footage ...... progress ..... evolving league.

They should be your words for the day !!

**Macy** · 24/05/2004, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by max power

after having a chat with a couple of the tv 3 lads on sat night, that is the plan....hope it works

Yeah, because they were going to come out and say that they really couldn't be arsed anymore.

It is a cop out, and last season when there were no issue's over the gantry's they didn't exactly go out of their way to send camera's. All this rubbish about TV3 being great - they do it because they have to.

The roof arguement is boll0x too in Longford's case - look at the sports like golf etc where their exposed to the elements. In Flancare they could bring the equipment in through the ground, pass them on to the gantry and then climb the ladder - no issue over carrying the equipment up a ladder. No problem for Sky for the under 21 internationals, no problem for RTE for the cup semi, only a problem for a company looking for an excuse not to put on a TV show it could do without.

**wws** · 24/05/2004, 12:30 PM

i read the first few lines than gave up

face, if you think tv3 arent showin games because of health and safety ure a bigger muppet than i thought was possible. also i dont work for pats, I just look at the available evidence and recent history and draw my own conclusions like most rational punters

as far as i can recall that gantry is owned by rte for starters!

**max power** · 24/05/2004, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by Macy

Yeah, because they were going to come out and say that they really couldn't be arsed anymore.

It is a cop out, and last season when there were no issue's over the gantry's they didn't exactly go out of their way to send camera's. All this rubbish about TV3 being great - they do it because they have to.

The roof arguement is boll0x too in Longford's case - look at the sports like golf etc where their exposed to the elements. In Flancare they could bring the equipment in through the ground, pass them on to the gantry and then climb the ladder - no issue over carrying the equipment up a ladder. No problem for Sky for the under 21 internationals, no problem for RTE for the cup semi, only a problem for a company looking for an excuse not to put on a TV show it could do without.

macy i just made a point about our ground, roof isn't a necessity just nice on a cold november night, thats all...on the ladder issue, tv 3 send one person to cover a game, not a crew like rte on they HAVE TO carry the camera in the ladder...

this has been in the national press for over a wee and no club has denied it, have they ??? there is truth in there....

**A face** · 24/05/2004, 12:36 PM

Alright .... i am wrong .... Macy and wws should run the whole thing ... they know best. The eL advisors ..... god help us all.

TV3 dont care so thats why we wont sort out our problems.

Typical and true to form lads .... great work

You are both legends !!

**max power** · 24/05/2004, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by wws

i read the first few lines than gave up

face, if you think tv3 arent showin games because of health and safety ure a bigger muppet than i thought was possible. also i dont work for pats, I just look at the available evidence and recent history and draw my own conclusions like most rational punters

as far as i can recall that gantry is owned by rte for starters!

so rte own part of pats ground then ???

if you don't work for pats where is the available evidence that the gantree is up to sctatch, i for one haven't seen it and i live in inchicore.....not available anywhere around there

**wws** · 24/05/2004, 12:46 PM

i dnt know who owns it but i have a funny feeling rte do

and yes access to the gantry (they wanted a fixed access) was done and dusted a few weeks ago

**Macy** · 24/05/2004, 12:47 PM

I've tried to stay out of the Richmond debate, however at flancare they don't have to carry any equipment up any ladders. They can pass it over the back of section N. Christ, you'd barely need to stand on anything to get yourself up. TV3 more often than not don't, and haven't bothered their whole to come to Longford. Whatever about Richmond, if they're using the same excuse for Longford it is nothing but a cop out.

Yes facilities should improve, but they haven't deteriorated since last season and health and safety standards haven't improved since then. If it was a genuine reason, surely TV3 would've made a stand when they got the coverage. They could've insisted it was in the contract they signed, instead of making it a "point of principle" now.

**A face** · 24/05/2004, 1:02 PM

Originally Posted by wws

and yes access to the gantry (they wanted a fixed access) was done and dusted a few weeks ago

Simple question ....... was it signed off by an engineer or was it sign off by anyone from health and safety ?

Yes or No question

And the answer will determine why TV3 are not using the gantries

(i.e. Yes they were signed off, TV3 dont want to do eL weekly OR No they werent signed off and this is why TV3 dont want to use them.)

Can you answer that .... simple yes or no !!

**wws** · 24/05/2004, 1:08 PM

how on earth would I know? and how or why would it have been possible for tv3 to have used them in previous years? has health and safety law changed?

**Macy** · 24/05/2004, 1:11 PM

A Face - Did Health and safety shut it down in the first place? Who said it wasn't safe in the first place? Did TV3 get health and safety in?

You're buying TV3's reasons just as much as myself, wws and others aren't.

**A face** · 24/05/2004, 1:15 PM

Originally Posted by wws

has health and safety law changed?

No but were not enforced as much previously. And it is the insurance companys that are applying the pressure, not TV3 .... insurance has gone up for everyone.

And "how would i know" ...... why in gods name are you saying that it is done and dusted if you dont if it is or not.

You are saying Pats resolved the problem when you dont know if they have or not. WHY ARE YOU DOING THAT ??

**A face** · 24/05/2004, 1:23 PM

Originally Posted by Macy

A Face - Did Health and safety shut it down in the first place? Who said it wasn't safe in the first place? Did TV3 get health and safety in?

TV3 or the companys that they subsontract the work to, have to work within certain parameters in order to be insured (they are obligied to be insured before you say anything) .... bog standard health and safety standards apply.

You're buying TV3's reasons just as much as myself, wws and others aren't.

it is not a case of buying reasons .... it is not an elaborate game they are playing. Man, everyone has to adhere to these standard, this is run of the mill stuff. Taxi bases, banks, newspapers stands, hospitals .... everyone has to have their safety signed off. This is not a new thing at all, eL clubs have been getting away with it and that is great ..... but it is now being hauled in. It is not a great suprise, everyone knew it was happening, it ddin't happen over night.

Lads, in all fairness ... the clubs shouldnt be dragged kicking and screaming to conform.