Now the Dust has settled, I think its time to thank the manager who despite all the criticism from small men like Dunphy and Curtis proved himself to be a brillant appointment, Trap was cruelly denied a place in World cup with a Team which was very much moulded in his philosphy of the game and we should remember a Team that was in tatters after the Kerr and Staunton eras.
Keith Andrews and Glenn Whelan were hero's on Wednesday night who prospered through Traps belief in these players and the system they were playing in. 18 months ago who had heard of Keith Andrews, now he will live long in the memory as a hero of Stade de France. Sport isn't always Fair but we should be very pleased this man is managing us for the Euro Qualifiers.
So are you saying he was expected to finish ahead of Italy, the World Champions, or to beat France, world cup runners up, in the playoff?Originally Posted by A.Dolan
I know we came extremely close to both, but I think that is just down to how good of a manager Trap is, on paper we never really stood a chance against either.
Well done Trap, great appointment and has done a good job so far.
Cmon County!
Due to Trap we can look forward to the next four years (as I believe he will still be manager through 2014). He has turned us once more into a team that can and will qualify for major championships. Very unlucky this time. But he has restored pride in the team. And I believe most fans now believe that we can again beat anyone, anywhere on our day.
Last edited by Noelys Guitar; 21/11/2009 at 8:23 PM.
With the largesse he's been paid and his lazy approach to looking at players, getting us to a play-off was the least we could have expected out of him.
Players clearly respect him so let's see if he can bring them one step further to Euros.
The man is a legend and a pure gentleman and were blessed to have him, my heart went out to him after wednesdays result. Hopefully we can give him one last hurrah at the Euros.
Anyone see Dolans rant in fridays star, pathetic fat *******.
A man can have no greater love than give 90 minutes to his friends
I have my problems with him but he did bring us closer than I expected we would get so I'll tip my hat to him for that
I agree after the sambles that was Stan, Trap was the perfect appointment by the FAI ; if that was by fault or design who knows
He has stopped the rot and improved the team immensely. This has also no doubt won back a lot of wainig support.
So for me he has done a great job and passed the first test with flying colours.
However, it will be interesting to see how he approaches the next campaign.
I expect him to stick to his system but surely after the playoff and over two years (when the next campaign starts) with these players he has to trust them more by being that little bit more adventerous.
We have now had a taste of what this team is capabable of when they apply themselves and he needs to get them to deliver such performance more regularly. If we play like that away to France surely we can blow teams like Georgia away at home.
I don't expect us to play like we did against France away in every game because it was a special occasion where winner takes all but we have to cut out performance like Cyprus and Gerogia at home and also be willing to go for a second goal if we go 1-0 up early in a game and not sit back like against Bulgaria.
I just want to state again I am very happy with what he has achieved so far but to qualify fo the Euros I think he will have to go against his nature and be a bit more adventerous with his tactics at times.
Lazy approach?
It's all well and good for people like Giles and Dunphy to say he should watch more players playing. Giles lives in England and Dunphy is just across the water.
He has watched more games than people give him credit for, sometimes going to two in one day.
What do you expect him to do, go to every game in England and Scotland featuring an Irish player? There are hundreds of Irish players, and most of them are not up to standard.
He shouldn't be expected to go to lower division games because those players wouldn't be good enough. You couldn't tell from watching Scottish League games if a player is good enough or not, it's not a top league, even Liam Miller is doing well there.
A player in any game only gets about 90 seconds on the ball. So should Trap travel all the way from Italy to watch a player have 90 seconds of possession.
Give the guy some credit, he's been a top manager for 35 years. He can only call up 22-23 players for every squad and if another player is good enough I'm sure Trap will in time become aware of them.
But going to watch every professional Irish soccer player is a waste of time. Watching them on video is a better use of his time. He'd have watched 100 players on video by the time he'd traval to and from one game in England.
Before he arrived Andrews, Best, Westwood, Delaney, Folan, Foley, Noel Hunt, Lawrence, Nolan, O'Dea, St. Ledger and Whelan had never played for Ireland. He's brought through a lot of players, so I don't understand how someone can say that he doesn't put the effort into looking for new players.
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I hate this criticism thast he doesnt go to enough games, he can delegate that out. Stan was constantly at games, didnt do him a lot of good.
A man can have no greater love than give 90 minutes to his friends
I've stated it previously I think Trap has done an exceptional job and he was vindicated on Wed. I never doubted the man or the team even once during the campaign, can honestly say that my faith in them never waned - but even I was astounded at the titanic performace of every player on that pitch. The intense bitterness that i've felt over the previous days has been somewhat eroded by the notion that he may stay on till 2014. I trust the man 100% with my football dreams and thank god that we are so lucky to have him, Marco and Liam Brady at the helm (now if only we could get rid of that useless tw*t Givens from the U21 setup!). As for those repeatedly critcising Trap for his perceived lack of interest in watching EPL games, a fat lot of good it did for Kerr and the ridiculous Stan. I believe there was definately an element of enjoying the goodtimes while they lasted in both of their insisting on appearing at as many EPL games as possible. Indeed what nicer way to spend a Sat afternoon than at Old Trafford 'watching' John O Shea and blushing modestly when the big-screen catches you gesturing to a fellow manager. Trap is beyond this, has done everything in the game and doesn't need to commute every weekend to London or Manchester or Newcastle. That is what Brady and Tardelli have been doing. This arguement that he is not earning his salary by not navigating Britain every week is pure bunkum!
Thanks Giovanni for making us believe again. In Trap we trust....
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Maybe if we went to watch games, he'd avoid spinning out a complete lie in Sept when trying to defend the omission from his squad of Chris McCann on the basis he'd touched the ball only four times against Man United when in fact he'd made 15 successful of 19 passes.
And Yes, for a manager on 2mill/year, it shouldn't be too much to ask him to travel to England and Scotland a couple of times per month. It's no bother to Capello.
Last edited by Alf Honn; 21/11/2009 at 7:30 PM.
Would Chris Mc Cann have really made musch of a difference to our campaign? We have players in that position and the arguement that Whelan and Andrews are not good enough finally went out the window on Wed. Some people really will look for anything to moan about.
Would Chris Mc Cann have really made musch of a difference to our campaign? We have players in that position and the arguement that Whelan and Andrews are not good enough finally went out the window on Wed. Some people really will look for anything to moan about
You've clearly missed the point.
Andrews and Whelan have proven themselves - not disputing that.
What he said about McCann, who has played every Premier League game for Burnley until he got a knee injury, was untrue and out of order.
If he had seen him play, he would not have made such a glaringly wrong statement.
I think Trap's reasoning for excluding him would have been more credible had he gone to watch him play and admitted he didn't think he was good enough at that stage to deserve a run-out against South Africa in the friendly.
Have we ever seen such an organised Ireland team before he became gaffer?
He's provided stability in the squad, sure his tactics are quite negative, but we need to make the most of him being manager, coz who's gonna replace him?
The man has done a fantastic job.Yes the are some issues like the Andy Reid situation that I would like to see sorted out but overall no matter who he picks there will always be people saying he should choose someone else.
The likes of Pat Dolan annoy me beyond belief. About a month ago he wrote a piece saying that Pat Fenlon is a genius but will never get near the Irish job because he has managed in the League of Ireland.Big Pat has forgotten that Brian Kerr and Eoin Hand were LOI managers.If that wasnt bad enough he has been constantly bitching about Trap saying that he is past it and no good enough anymore... So basically I think his point is that Pat Fenlon should be choosen to replace Trap, who he has called "The most expensive failure in Irish football history".
I seen Roy Curtis on Setanta before the 2nd leg calling Robbie Keane "a flat track bully" coz he doesnt get important goals, Aparently goals in games dont count unless they are against a country that has won a world cup.
The point that Im getting at is basically that critisism is fine as long as its justified and not done just for the sake of getting a reaction. I dont see any other manager out there(that we would have a chance of getting) that I would prefer to see as manager. The players obviously have respect for him and going into the next campaign I think he will have much more respect for the talents of his players after the fantastic performance they produced in Paris.
On a personal note I hope by the time the next campaign comes around I will have some love back for football because at the moment Im so disallusioned with it that I didnt even bother looking at the results of todays games
Its really not that complicated!!!
It's not our fault, the cnut doesn't want to play for us.....
Perhaps you want to contribute towards his therapy??
Pozzo - fatto Trapitoni!!
( that means well done trap in 'ITalian according to bablefish, however I have my doubts. it translates back into "made sink"
Last edited by tricky_colour; 21/11/2009 at 10:07 PM.
I'm sure Trapattoni appreciates the effort all the same, trikkie_kalor.
You can't spell failure without FAI
We all must remember that Pat Dolan is stark raving mad! - the extent of his madness over the pass few weeks has actually scared me... I would not like to share a lift with this guy.
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