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    Quote Originally Posted by Not Brazil View Post

    To assert that a name always identifies your "background" is, quite simply, drivel.

    Let's take an example - a guy called, say, Mark McAllister travels from Northern Ireland to the game - he purchases a spare for the Republic end. He, being in friendly mode, says to the security chaps, in a Northern Irish accent "Hello...my name in Mark McAllister, I'm looking forward to the match".

    What happens next?
    The security chaps will spray him with holy water, if he doesn't melt hes catholic and thus a Republic of Ireland fan. I thought everyone knew that

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    Plus replace security with nuns - they'll soon sniff them out.
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    Evening all. I won't be going to the Wales game now. It's less a statement of principle than that I was going to travel in on the mini-cruise from Caergybi rather than get a bus from Belfast.

    Lionel Ritchie of this parish will be disappointed. He was in line for the prize of a free drink, after guessing closest to that quiz which suggested I was 68% Chucky

    Co-incidentally, I was just talking to my cousin Mark whose mother was a McAllister before her marriage. He'll be cheering on the GAWA from temporary exile in Kigali, Rwanda. Don't mess with my Tutu, baby.

    Quick question to Not Brazil- do you have a same-surname relative who's a padre in the Church of the Nazarene, if so we were chatting recently. Best wishes etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not Brazil View Post
    Let's take an example - a guy called, say, Mark McAllister travels from Northern Ireland to the game - he purchases a spare for the Republic end. He, being in friendly mode, says to the security chaps, in a Northern Irish accent "Hello...my name in Mark McAllister, I'm looking forward to the match".

    What happens next?
    They ask him his middle name of course, silly.
    I'm a bloke,I'm an ocker
    And I really love your knockers,I'm a labourer by day,
    I **** up all me pay,Watching footy on TV,
    Just feed me more VB,Just pour my beer,And get my smokes, And go away

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gather round View Post
    Quick question to Not Brazil- do you have a same-surname relative who's a padre in the Church of the Nazarene, if so we were chatting recently. Best wishes etc.
    Not to the best of my knowledge GR - but one never knows.

    Good luck, and safe passage, on your travels.

    PS. Should I be concerned about this Church of the Nazarene thingy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gather round View Post
    Evening all. I won't be going to the Wales game now. It's less a statement of principle than that I was going to travel in on the mini-cruise from Caergybi rather than get a bus from Belfast.

    Lionel Ritchie of this parish will be disappointed. He was in line for the prize of a free drink, after guessing closest to that quiz which suggested I was 68% Chucky

    Co-incidentally, I was just talking to my cousin Mark whose mother was a McAllister before her marriage. He'll be cheering on the GAWA from temporary exile in Kigali, Rwanda. Don't mess with my Tutu, baby.

    Quick question to Not Brazil- do you have a same-surname relative who's a padre in the Church of the Nazarene, if so we were chatting recently. Best wishes etc.
    Frank Brazil?
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    Or Alan?

    The point is, if the security were very officious, which they wouldn't be, this is one method they might have used....

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy View Post
    Or Alan?

    The point is, if the security were very officious, which they wouldn't be, this is one method they might have used....
    "What's your name?", followed by a "background" designation by "the security"...because a name tells you everything?

    You're barking mad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy View Post
    Or Alan?

    The point is, if the security were very officious, which they wouldn't be, this is one method they might have used....
    I fear some of our own players might even have trouble getting into our end if the stewards were to employ such a strategy. Marc Wilson, for one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy View Post
    Or Alan?

    The point is, if the security were very officious, which they wouldn't be, this is one method they might have used....
    Not the only one though.

    How about HDS?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Not Brazil View Post
    "What's your name?", followed by a "background" designation by "the security"...because a name tells you everything?

    You're barking mad.
    I'm surprised you took the time to respond to him!

    Next he'll be suggesting that all fans must bring a utility bill with their address on it. "Ah, you're from the Ardoyne, on you go", "Oh, I say, Mount Vernon, step aside please".

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    Quote Originally Posted by awec View Post
    I'm surprised you took the time to respond to him!

    Next he'll be suggesting that all fans must bring a utility bill with their address on it. "Ah, you're from the Ardoyne, on you go",
    It would depend on what part of the Ardoyne you come from, if you got in or not.

    Anyway, I'll be saving on a dry cleaning bill by not going to the match, after my suit was covered in Champagne, celebrating after the Irish Cup Final on Saturday:

    http://www.unionjackwear.co.uk/image...acksuit(1).jpg
    Last edited by Not Brazil; 11/05/2011 at 4:18 PM.
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    There's nothing 'mad' about using a name for racial profiling.
    Especially when in most instances it's so obvious.

    Even from the Ardoyne.



    Quote Originally Posted by Gather round View Post
    Evening all. I won't be going to the Wales game now. It's less a statement of principle than that I was going to travel in on the mini-cruise from Caergybi rather than get a bus from Belfast.

    Lionel Ritchie of this parish will be disappointed. He was in line for the prize of a free drink, after guessing closest to that quiz which suggested I was 68% Chucky
    Why? Knowing that route, the only people who might stop you travelling are the Welsh cops who are far more officious than the Guards/Irish border authorities.?

    And how could you be even remotely 'Chucky' ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy View Post
    There's nothing 'mad' about using a name for racial profiling.
    Especially when in most instances it's so obvious.

    Even from the Ardoyne.
    I'm telling you that in many, many, instances you'll not "racially profile" (whatever race has got to do with the subject in hand????) going by a name.

    It's simply crude.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Not Brazil View Post
    Seems the IFA have gotten their knickers in a bit oif a twist.

    http://www.irishfa.com/news/item/646...-announcement/

    You couldn't make it up.



    I also note that the original cut off date for bookings was this Friday - the squad is not announced to next Tuesday.

    I suspect, once the squad is announced, many of those who have booked will feel a bit let down.

    Approximately 8,000 Northern Ireland supporters were intending to attend this match - I can't see more than 800 going now.
    From that link:

    The transport fee of £30 per person was based on a large requirement of coaches, but now that these are not required, the Association will be meeting tomorrow to review the whole position, should there be any changes these will be communicated to all block bookers/NI fans members.
    Does that even make sense? Surely, if anything, the prospect of smaller numbers going would make it more expensive per coach to run fewer.

    The apparent Worthington quote is also somewhat suspicious...

    Nigel Worthington, Northern Ireland Manager said, “I would like to see as many Northern Ireland fans support the team in Dublin. The support of the fans is vital to the team as they do act as our 12th man. Tickets are still on sale for block bookers or members of NI Fans at the Irish FA.
    More like asked to rubber-stamp something dictated to him, I reckon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DannyInvincible View Post
    From that link:



    Does that even make sense? Surely, if anything, the prospect of smaller numbers going would make it more expensive per coach to run fewer.

    The apparent Worthington quote is also somewhat suspicious...



    More like asked to rubber-stamp something dictated to him, I reckon.
    Makes no sense at all - basically, because the IFA are spinning complete and utter bollicks.

    NW, almost certainly, did not make that quote. I think your analysis is spot on....he may not even know about it.

    Anyway, the IFA seem to be quite desperate to "get the numbers up".

    Here's the latest:

    The Irish FA has reviewed the current position with regards to arrangements for supporters for the forthcoming Carling Nations Cup matches, and due to the limited uptake of tickets for these matches, the Irish FA has decided to extend the deadline for ticket applications by Block Bookers and NI Fans Plus members to 4pm on Tuesday 17 May.

    In line with advice from the FAI, Gardai and the PSNI and in the interests of the safety and security of our fans, the sale of match tickets will remain linked with transport to Dublin and the existing arrangements whereby Northern Ireland fans will arrive at a staging post on the outskirts of Dublin prior to transferring to the Aviva Stadium will remain in place.

    The original transport fee was based on upwards of 5,000 supporters travelling, and the expected costs in securing coaches from within and outside Northern Ireland and ensuring adequate personnel was made available to ensure the smooth and secure transport of supporters. Based on current booking figures, it is now apparent that numbers will be substantially less.

    This will mean that coaches can now all be sourced locally and personnel required to manage this operation will be substantially less, and as a result we are pleased to advise that the cost of the coach ticket can be reduced to £22 per supporter. Refunds will be organised for those supporters who have already booked.

    Provisions will be made for supporters who are travelling from outside Northern Ireland and those who had already booked accommodation before these arrangements were announced (Wednesday 4 May). Please contact tickets@irishfa.com for further details on this.

    For further information on applying for tickets, Block Bookers and NI Fans Plus members should visit www.irishfa.com

    Don't be surprised to see some startling revelations in the coming days as to why the IFA are getting their knickers in a twist about a potential low turnout - if what I'm hearing is true (and I have no reason to doubt it), it will smack the "Why are we even in this, because they poach our players" supporters so hard into the real world, that some of them may actually combust.
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    Response from the AONISC to the IFA change of heart, on the BBC Sport Website:

    "However in response, supporters spokesman Gary McAllister said that his organisation "are still encouraging fans not to travel to the upcoming matches".
    "This is not simply about cost. It's about how the IFA handled the whole operation, and we don't have confidence working with the organisation for these games," added Mr McAllister.
    The travel restrictions have been placed on the Northern Ireland supporters following minor incidents at the Nations Cup opener against Scotland at the Aviva Stadium in February.
    McAllister told that BBC Sport that the Irish FA had ignored advice from the supporters group in advance of the February game."
    The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
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    Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
    And this is what we sang...

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    Would you expect numbers to increase again now? What would happen if more than 5,000 now decided they wanted to head along? A last-minute price-hike?

    It's all rather comical. Would almost make John Delaney look competent!

    Quote Originally Posted by Not Brazil View Post
    Don't be surprised to see some startling revelations in the coming days as to why the IFA are getting their knickers in a twist about a potential low turnout - if what I'm hearing is true (and I have no reason to doubt it), it will smack the "Why are we even in this, because they poach our players" supporters so hard into the real world, that some of them may actually combust.
    Sounds juicy. What have you been hearing? Sponsorship making threats, pulling strings and all that? Surely not the X-rated video tapes featuring Delaney and Jim Shaw (taking)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not Brazil View Post
    Makes no sense at all - basically, because the IFA are spinning complete and utter bollicks.

    NW, almost certainly, did not make that quote. I think your analysis is spot on....he may not even know about it.

    Anyway, the IFA seem to be quite desperate to "get the numbers up".

    Here's the latest:

    The Irish FA has reviewed the current position with regards to arrangements for supporters for the forthcoming Carling Nations Cup matches, and due to the limited uptake of tickets for these matches, the Irish FA has decided to extend the deadline for ticket applications by Block Bookers and NI Fans Plus members to 4pm on Tuesday 17 May.

    In line with advice from the FAI, Gardai and the PSNI and in the interests of the safety and security of our fans, the sale of match tickets will remain linked with transport to Dublin and the existing arrangements whereby Northern Ireland fans will arrive at a staging post on the outskirts of Dublin prior to transferring to the Aviva Stadium will remain in place.

    The original transport fee was based on upwards of 5,000 supporters travelling, and the expected costs in securing coaches from within and outside Northern Ireland and ensuring adequate personnel was made available to ensure the smooth and secure transport of supporters. Based on current booking figures, it is now apparent that numbers will be substantially less.

    This will mean that coaches can now all be sourced locally and personnel required to manage this operation will be substantially less, and as a result we are pleased to advise that the cost of the coach ticket can be reduced to £22 per supporter. Refunds will be organised for those supporters who have already booked.

    Provisions will be made for supporters who are travelling from outside Northern Ireland and those who had already booked accommodation before these arrangements were announced (Wednesday 4 May). Please contact tickets@irishfa.com for further details on this.

    For further information on applying for tickets, Block Bookers and NI Fans Plus members should visit www.irishfa.com

    Don't be surprised to see some startling revelations in the coming days as to why the IFA are getting their knickers in a twist about a potential low turnout - if what I'm hearing is true (and I have no reason to doubt it), it will smack the "Why are we even in this, because they poach our players" supporters so hard into the real world, that some of them may actually combust.
    I can think of millions of reasons why they are getting their knickers in a twist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DannyInvincible View Post
    Would you expect numbers to increase again now?

    Sounds juicy. What have you been hearing? Sponsorship making threats, pulling strings and all that? Surely not the X-rated video tapes featuring Delaney and Jim Shaw (taking)?
    I wouldn't expect a big jump in numbers now DI - many will be wise enough to see through the IFA spin and bull****.

    Sponsors are not happy by all accounts, but that's not the bigger story I've heard from what I consider to be an informed source.

    Here's a few questions for you to investigate/consider:

    Did one of the participating FAs (not based on this island, and who were initially reluctant to take part) receive a "guarantee" of circa £2,000,000 to secure their participation?

    Who underwrote that "guarantee"?

    Is the competition going well re: revenues so far?

    Why did the IFA ignore supporters representives' advices re: ticketing for the Scotland game ie. the IFA put tickets on open sale, against advice?

    Are the IFA ****ting themselves with the prospect of a low turnout v the Republic and no turnout v Wales?

    Why would that be?
    Last edited by Not Brazil; 11/05/2011 at 5:59 PM.
    The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
    But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
    Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
    And this is what we sang...

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