Celtic Cup thread

[ArdeeBhoy]

"Protestant Crusaders and Catholic Newington" for starters. Once I read that I knew much of the rest would be rubbish.

Fair enough. But can you elaborate?? Most of what I read rang, er, true.

Did you comment on the article about these misconceptions??

It was refreshing to read some other views, especially those of the North's fans(over and above the tired cliches on here), which at least represent a slightly more measured take (Not that I'd agree with them) on the situation.

[paul_oshea]

Do you know many northerners?

A lot actually due to some of the organisations and positions held over here in London I got to know a lot. Again its just my experience, and I'm not having a go, just what ive observed.

[Mr_Parker]

Fair enough. But can you elaborate?? Most of what I read rang, er, true.

Did you comment on the article about these misconceptions??

It was refreshing to read some other views, especially those of the North's fans(over and above the tired cliches on here), which at least represent a slightly more measured take (Not that I'd agree with them) on the situation.

No I didn't comment. To elaborate, Crusaders is not and was not a Protestant club nor is or was Newington a Catholic club and so on. It is a shocking and stereotypical statement.

Nearly every paragraph contains factual inaccuraces and/or stretches the truth. Basically it is a load of balls imo.

[ArdeeBhoy]

Hmm,
not too many of the locals posting on there are agreeing though.
Which seems strange.

But if you're in N.Beal-feirste, fair enough.

[Mr_Parker]

Hmm,
not too many of the locals posting on there are agreeing though.
Which seems strange.

But if you're in N.Beal-feirste, fair enough.

Para1.

the Under-13s of Crusaders, once a Protestant, loyalist stronghold, are sharing their pitch with the Under-16s of Newington, a Catholic club.

********. I wonder what Martin Murray makes of that.

Para 2.

Crusaders – lying second in the Irish Premiership, behind Protestant Linfield –

********. Linfield have and have had numerous Catholics playing for them for years now.

Para 2

there were more police officers on duty – 1,900 – than had ever been recorded at a UK football match.

1,000 not 1,900

Para 3

"This club was a very unwelcoming place during the Troubles," Mark Langhammer, a Crusaders board member, says. "If a Roman Catholic had walked into our bar just 10 years ago he would have been shot dead.

Not only ******** but an unbelievable comment.

Need I go on?

[ArdeeBhoy]

Agreed. You should point that out to The Guardian then, definitely.

I would link to this thread on their comments section but your comments would be rather obscured in with all the rest, to the untrained eye!

[geysir]

Why would Langhammer make such an unbelievable comment?
If you leave out the "shot dead" reference, does it hold any water at all?

[Stuttgart88]

I bet the FAI are watching Rangers' Europa League progress with a large degree of trepidation.

[SolitudeRed]

Reading some of the comments underneath, ive always been struck over here by a lot of NI nationalists who support Celtic as though its their country. They dont have that same affiliation to ROI as those within ROI, and they don't want to have anything to do with NI - probably as it stands - but I'm not sure if they would ever want anything to do with NI. They are in limbo so to speak, ROI is not "theirs". They like them to do well but thats about it. Strange but perhaps these people would eventualy support a NI team if it completely shed its clothes, and started again from scratch.

I have to say that from my experience a few Southerners seem to see Man Utd as their national team in my experience having lived in Galway in a house full of students they always seemed to show more interest in the Premiership team it goes without saying that people look for success and this could explain why some seem to take more interest in the likes of Man Utd and Celtic.

Why would Langhammer make such an unbelievable comment?
If you leave out the "shot dead" reference, does it hold any water at all?

Think Langhammer is involved in politics or something which could explain his hyperbole. To be fair ten years ago Loyalist paramilitaries were still active and there were a few murders that year. Does sound a bit of an OTT comment though.

[Charlie Darwin]

I read it as a bit of Irish gallows humour that the interviewer didn't quite take in its joking context and reported as a serious remark.

[paul_oshea]

what does gallows mean?

[SkStu]

it means baby mice.

[The Fly]

what does gallows mean?

Give him enough rope.......

[paul_oshea]

Very good fly.

I honestly doubt Rangers will get to a final. Liverpool would be a great draw for dublin in terms of numbers coming over and for the economy as a whole.

[Gather round]

Good points by Mr Parker above.

Agreed. You should point that out to The Guardian then, definitely.

I would link to this thread on their comments section but your comments would be rather obscured in with all the rest, to the untrained eye!

I wrote to David Conn directly, basically pointing out that positive coverage of local football was welcome although the cliches and errors weren't. He hasn't replied.

Why would Langhammer make such an unbelievable comment? If you leave out the "shot dead" reference, does it hold any water at all?

Fcuk knows. It's very surprising that an experienced local councillor would make such a bizarre comment. It doesn't hold water, I know/ knew Roman Catholics who regularly watch(ed) games at Seaview. And although not a rosary wearer myself, I have openly read the Guardian in the clubhouse. Nobody took the least bit of notice, of course.

Think Langhammer is involved in politics or something which could explain his hyperbole. To be fair ten years ago Loyalist paramilitaries were still active and there were a few murders that year. Does sound a bit of an OTT comment though

He was a Labour councillor (obviously a rarity in NI) in Newtownabbey for many years. I believe his house was attacked by unionist paramilitaries a couple of times.

As the name suggests, many of his family are from Austria and Germany: I think three of his grandparents were refugees during the Holocaust. His mum was a music teacher at my school.

[ArdeeBhoy]

I wrote to David Conn directly, basically pointing out that positive coverage of local football was welcome although the cliches and errors weren't. He hasn't replied.

Perhaps DC took note of foot.ie being referred to, in the replies thread to his article, and noted certain fallacies of a more, er, rotund nature and thought it wasn't worth the bother!

[gspain]

Very strange comment there on Crusaders. I happen to know the only Crusaders fan who went to Tbilisi for their European tie in the mid 90's and not that his religion matters in a football sense he is RC.

[paul_oshea]

He is arsey as they say over here.

[SolitudeRed]

Very strange comment there on Crusaders. I happen to know the only Crusaders fan who went to Tbilisi for their European tie in the mid 90's and not that his religion matters in a football sense he is RC.

Indeed I know a Cliftonville fan (I presume hes a Protestant, not sure though never asked him) lives just up the road from Crusaders ground and he often drinks in their social club, just goes to show not all IL fans are a walking stereotype.

[jbyrne]

Very good fly.

I honestly doubt Rangers will get to a final. Liverpool would be a great draw for dublin in terms of numbers coming over and for the economy as a whole.

rumour is that man city fans have booked thousands of hotel rooms in Dublin already