Celtic Cup thread

**paul_oshea** · 14/02/2011, 7:19 PM

Will they though?

**shakermaker1982** · 14/02/2011, 7:20 PM

'stand up if you hate the brits' is the worst thing folk can dig up on youtube about our fans? As Andy Gray used to say 'Wow, just wow'.

**osarusan** · 14/02/2011, 7:32 PM

Originally Posted by shakermaker1982

'stand up if you hate the brits' is the worst thing folk can dig up on youtube about our fans? As Andy Gray used to say 'Wow, just wow'.

In fairness, it was a response to an argument that Irish fans would never be so disrespectful.

And if the argument is that 'our idiots aren't as idiotic as your idiots', nobody's a winner.

**ArdeeBhoy** · 14/02/2011, 7:32 PM

Except our fans aren't generally that disrespectful.
Nor they go through the farce of a campaign claiming 'Football For All', when the truth is somewhat different.

Short of forcing booze into them for days on end, it would be hard to match that level of stupidity, hopefully.

Originally Posted by Not Brazil

There are two "party tunes" in the clip.

I hope that's educational.

Too much information, NB.

Not your fault they're delusional, but would it ever be the day we could post even the lyrics of "The Fields of Athenry" on the Bigot Board??

And even if that happened, would doubtless be accompanied by the usual claims of 'mopery'.

Originally Posted by Not Brazil

The vast majority of people in this clip don't seem to have much "respect".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5EIWA2VZZs

If that's the best anyone could find in relation to the populace of a territory that's been illegally occupied for a nearly a millennium, may a higher power help them, FFS.

**ArdeeBhoy** · 14/02/2011, 7:36 PM

Originally Posted by Fixer82

That's not Ealing Green that's you. I'd recognise that haircut and ear-ring a mile away!

"A ledder from me to the government'' ha ha ha

Originally Posted by paul_oshea

Im pretty sure i recognise the fella from 23 seconds walking across the camera

Seems like EG has a few stalkers on here?? Who seem a little off the pace with their information....

Originally Posted by Mr_Parker

It does seem that names have been put to several of the individuals on that video and no doubt the IFA will take action in regards to them when it comes to future ticket distribution.

Maybe, but short of racial profiling of their, er, names and identities, what's to stop them buying tickets for the home end for the next game.

I say let them come, but if they misbehave.....

**boovidge** · 14/02/2011, 7:40 PM

The ROI fans singing in the video are embarassing but they're not singing about murdering anyone because of their religion.

**SkStu** · 14/02/2011, 7:54 PM

Originally Posted by osarusan

In fairness, it was a response to an argument that Irish fans would never be so disrespectful.

And if the argument is that 'our idiots aren't as idiotic as your idiots', nobody's a winner.

I dont know Osa... i see a huge difference between the two incidents in all honesty. Is "stand up if you hate the Brits" sectarian and glorifying murder? Im not so sure it is.

**osarusan** · 14/02/2011, 8:01 PM

As I said, it was posted a a response to a post saying that Irish fans would never lack respect. The post just points out an occasion where Irish fans were guilty of this.

To argue that "X isn't as bad as Y" is to miss the point, in my opinion.

**SkStu** · 14/02/2011, 8:10 PM

i dont think it is. There are varying degrees of respect/disrespect and i think that to ignore the varying nature of something is failing to look at the whole picture. Otherwise we could end up having a standardised legal penalty whereby a person who steals a shirt from a store could receive the same prison sentence as someone who commits murder. Perhaps an extreme example but you can see my point.

**shakermaker1982** · 14/02/2011, 8:15 PM

stand up if you hate Forest/Derby/County/Chelsea/ x y z etc etc is heard up and down the country in every football ground in England about 15 times a game. It's not even in the same ball park as that Aviva stadium rubbish. Type in 'Northern Ireland fans singing' over on YouTube and it gets a bit more interesting.

I can safely say that in all the home and away games I've been to our fans have been impeccable behaviour wise. I'm proud we don't really feature on the YouTube hall of shame.

**osarusan** · 14/02/2011, 8:21 PM

Originally Posted by SkStu

There are varying degrees of respect/disrespect and i think that to ignore the varying nature of something is failing to look at the whole picture.

But who is ignoring this varying nature?

In response to a post arguing the Irish fans never fail to show respect, he's pointing out an example of where this has happened. Nowhere has he said the two incidents are equal, or compared them in any way. It is the posters who are arguing that X isn't as bad as Y who are implying that he did make such a comparison suggesting the two were equal.

**ifk101** · 14/02/2011, 8:42 PM

In other news ....

Hat-trick for Daniel Kearns tonight.

Call him up Trapattoni.

**Not Brazil** · 15/02/2011, 8:49 AM

Originally Posted by ifk101

Hat-trick for Daniel Kearns tonight.

I was at the game - Kearns was exceptional. Looks like a player who will play at a higher level when he matures.

Dundalk fans were great too - cept the small minority in their number who spouted sectarian bile relating the the IRA.

**co. down green** · 15/02/2011, 9:08 AM

Originally Posted by Mr_Parker

It does seem that names have been put to several of the individuals on that video and no doubt the IFA will take action in regards to them when it comes to future ticket distribution.

From reading the ni fans forum it would seem that many of those involved in the sectarian singing in the video are members of ni supporters clubs and not day-trippers or sectarian event junkies. Also interesting to read the comments of fans on the events around Bath avenue, with fire extinguishers being fired through pub windows and the place totally trashed.

**OwlsFan** · 15/02/2011, 9:38 AM

Can't we all just get along?

**ifk101** · 15/02/2011, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by Not Brazil

I was at the game - Kearns was exceptional. Looks like a player who will play at a higher level when he matures.

A chap of his age that is a first team player for one of the stonger LOI sides will attract cross channel interest. It sounds like Dundalk will do well to hold onto him.

**ArdeeBhoy** · 15/02/2011, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by osarusan

But who is ignoring this varying nature?

In response to a post arguing the Irish fans never fail to show respect, he's pointing out an example of where this has happened.

The people who're ignoring it are those making an issue of a totally invalid comparison....

Originally Posted by Not Brazil

I was at the game

Dundalk fans were great too - cept the small minority in their number who spouted sectarian bile relating the the IRA.

....where NB has a point. And not aimed at him or anyone? on here, but there is and always will be a certain level of hypocrisy making such claims. Supported by CDG's contributions to the debate.

**Not Brazil** · 15/02/2011, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

....where NB has a point. And not aimed at him or anyone? on here, but there is and always will be a certain level of hypocrisy making such claims. Supported by CDG's contributions to the debate.

No hypocrisy on my part AB.

I don't engage in sectarian chanting, and deplore those who do. Whatever side of the fence they hail from.