Celtic Cup thread

**paul_oshea** · 14/02/2011, 5:32 PM

Originally Posted by Not Brazil

The middle one of two?

Sorry second one.

haha, ya sorry, but in the video did they not sing we are the billy boys you'll know us by our noise etc?

**Fixer82** · 14/02/2011, 5:34 PM

Just watched that video. Thought yous were talking about the videos posted earlier outside stadium.
Absolutely disgusted. Would've been very very angry and highly offended if I was around those people singing about Bobby Sands like that.
So disrespectful.
Don't think ROI fans have ever gone up to Windsor like that and sang any 'Ra songs

**Not Brazil** · 14/02/2011, 5:38 PM

Originally Posted by Fixer82

Would've been very very angry and highly offended if I was around those people singing about Bobby Sands like that.
So disrespectful.

You'll have to accept that some people think Bobby Sands was an odious individual, and would have zero "respect" for him or his mates in the organisation of which he was a member.

**SwanVsDalton** · 14/02/2011, 5:41 PM

The songs have no place in life, never mind a football, but I don't find them offensive in the least. I've heard just as bad, or worse, in probably every football ground I've ever been in.

Occasionally a minority - could be a dozen, could be 50, but it hardly matters - sing songs that tar a whole group. It's not to nice to hear and it shouldn't exist, but that's the nature of the NI beast on both sides. I have a lot of sympathy for ordinary NI fans in trying to deal with it.

Edit - the Bobby Sands stuff is a bit more close to the bone, didn't catch that first time round. Still I thoroughly believe it's a minority though.

**paul_oshea** · 14/02/2011, 5:44 PM

Fixer82 to be fair they don't sing the songs wherever they are, at least not where I've been.

Ya, I mean horses for courses and I think it was the most moderate of all the songs probably. Its the last one that is obviously the really disgraceful and just disgusting one. "we are up to our necks in fenian blood".

And those guys seem to be in general good spirits and jovial sorts, as opposed to ones who would want to be stirring up stuff. Thats the saddest part, its the surprising part too.

**Fixer82** · 14/02/2011, 5:50 PM

Originally Posted by Not Brazil

You'll have to accept that some people think Bobby Sands was an odious individual, and would have zero "respect" for him or his mates in the organisation of which he was a member.

I'm no fan of the Queen or the British Armed Forces or Thatcher or anyone else that could have been seen as an enemy/foreign-occupier to Ireland in the 80s or any other time.
But I'd never sing songs like that in England or the 6 counties (or anywhere for that matter). It's all about respect. I've not much time for the aforementioned people but would always respect the people around me who live there. And I respect myself as well, which is why I wouldn't resort to this gutter behaviour.

And the fact of the matter is, you wouldn't get a group of ROI supporters doing it either. Maybe a lot of countries have their 'ultras' but I find it quite sad that this particular group of NI fans get a buzz out of that.

**SwanVsDalton** · 14/02/2011, 5:57 PM

Originally Posted by Fixer82

And the fact of the matter is, you wouldn't get a group of ROI supporters doing it either. Maybe a lot of countries have their 'ultras' but I find it quite sad that the NI fans get a buzz out of that.

But 'we' did boo a player who was erroneously called out as 'Peter Lovenkrands' in 2002 as I recall.

**Fixer82** · 14/02/2011, 5:58 PM

Originally Posted by paul_oshea

F
And those guys seem to be in general good spirits and jovial sorts, as opposed to ones who would want to be stirring up stuff. Thats the saddest part, its the surprising part too.

Yeah that's the other thing that annoyed. It seemed par for the course. They were all in good spirits. Didn't seem malicious by their body language.
So I wonder, is this largely accepted. Obviously reading certain comments I can see it's not.
But they seem to be delighted to be in Dublin having the craic talking about killing Bobby Sands and up to their necks in dead fenians
And they wonder why some players opt for the Republic

**Not Brazil** · 14/02/2011, 6:00 PM

Originally Posted by Fixer82

But I'd never sing songs like that in England or the 6 counties (or anywhere for that matter). It's all about respect. I've not much time for the aforementioned people but would always respect the people around me who live there. And I respect myself as well, which is why I wouldn't resort to this gutter behaviour.

And the fact of the matter is, you wouldn't get a group of ROI supporters doing it either

I admire your stance, but pity your denial.

The vast majority of people in this clip don't seem to have much "respect".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5EIWA2VZZs

**paul_oshea** · 14/02/2011, 6:00 PM

Thats the point I was getting at, but I didnt want to do it for the abuse that you will probably receive

**Not Brazil** · 14/02/2011, 6:02 PM

Originally Posted by Fixer82

talking about killing Bobby Sands

Nobody killed Mr Sands, but himself.

However, not the place for any of that.

**paul_oshea** · 14/02/2011, 6:02 PM

Originally Posted by Not Brazil

I admire your stance, but pity your denial.

The vast majority of people in this clip don't seem to have much "respect".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5EIWA2VZZs

Don't worry they really mean English people.

**Not Brazil** · 14/02/2011, 6:05 PM

Originally Posted by paul_oshea

Don't worry they really mean English people.

Hopefully not the numerous ones that have played for/play for you...or Jackie Charlton.

**paul_oshea** · 14/02/2011, 6:10 PM

No there are obviouslly exceptions to every rule.

But you will notice my original comment was tongue in cheek.

**SkStu** · 14/02/2011, 6:11 PM

i caught Ealing Green on camera. Sickening.

**Fixer82** · 14/02/2011, 6:30 PM

Originally Posted by Not Brazil

Nobody killed Mr Sands, but himself.

However, not the place for any of that.

Well then why say it?

**Fixer82** · 14/02/2011, 6:32 PM

Originally Posted by Not Brazil

I admire your stance, but pity your denial.

The vast majority of people in this clip don't seem to have much "respect".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5EIWA2VZZs

Fair enough. Not exactly glorious. Then again not exactly talking about murdering them and certainly not doing it in any part of Britain....

or the 6 counties for that matter

**Fixer82** · 14/02/2011, 6:42 PM

That's not Ealing Green that's you. I'd recognise that haircut and ear-ring a mile away!

"A ledder from me to the government'' ha ha ha

**paul_oshea** · 14/02/2011, 6:57 PM

Im pretty sure i recognise the fella from 23 seconds walking across the camera

**Mr_Parker** · 14/02/2011, 7:06 PM

Originally Posted by EalingGreen

Your comment may have intended in jest, but I'll have you know I find it offensive to be associated even obliquely with scum like that (in fact, my great regret is that it wasn't possible for a bunch of Gardai to segregate them and batter the living s h i te out of them).

Anyhow, fyi I attended the game courtesy of an avid ROI fan and we socialised very happily before/during* the game with fans from NI/ROI/Scotland, fortunately well out of sight or earshot of the lowlife in the video.

* - We both had to shoot off straight after.

Myself and EG may have had our spats on here, but I will back him up on this, it is wrong to even jokingly associate him with such people. It does seem that names have been put to several of the individuals on that video and no doubt the IFA will take action in regards to them when it comes to future ticket distribution.