Celtic Cup thread

[awec]

Dont be silly of course it is

This sarcasm?

[Stuttgart88]

yep, and both were roundly booed

Booing of GSTQ that night was from a relatively small section of the crowd, less than 20% in my guess (20% too much though) and almost all from the South Terrace. I was on the North Terrace and there was no booing. "Roundly" suggests it was widespread which it wasn't.

[paul_oshea]

Is this the one you are referring to?

http://www.herald.ie/national-news/c...i-2533967.html

[awec]

That's the one. Melanie Finn from the herald.

Personally the best bit about the article for me is when she tries to equate it to the England 1995 game when England wrecked the place completely!

[bennocelt]

Booing of GSTQ that night was from a relatively small section of the crowd, less than 20% in my guess (20% too much though) and almost all from the South Terrace. I was on the North Terrace and there was no booing. "Roundly" suggests it was widespread which it wasn't.

Thats fair enough, I just got that impression from watching it that night on the Beeb which started the highlights showing both anthems roundly booed

[Mr_Parker]

Which only makes your offence worse...

For 99% of the readers of this thread will not have known the provenance of that photo - which, of course, was exactly what you were relying on .

So why not for once in your (web)life, be honest Mr. P? You have been caught "bang to rights" trying to pass off a photo of a Polish fan misbehaving at another game entirely, in a thoroughly dishonest attempt to support malicious allegations by you against NI fans, made on the flimsiest of "evidence", regarding a game you weren't even at.

I've long known you to be a "spoofer", but I hadn't expected outright lies and deception...

Balls!

Or would you like to explain how a clearly and correctly captioned photograph in the Guardian, of misbehaviour by a Polish fan at a match in Belfast two years ago, amounts to corroboration by a "reputable paper" of events at a match in Dublin two days ago?

When awec exposed your tawdry little lie, the only "fig leaf" you could find to try to cover your embarrassment was this (frankly) laughable claim.

Worse than pathetic.

Then these reports - if they exist, that is, are quite simply wrong.

For when I was dropped off the Airport Coach in D4 at 3 pm, there was hardly an NI fan to be found. And when I nipped into "Oil Can Harrys" for my first pint of the day, I was the only NI fan in a bar which was packed to the rafters with Jocks (great bunch, btw).

And when I subsequently walked towards the AVIVA after 4 pm, to find and meet up with my (ROI) mate, I saw maybe a dozen NI fans in total, even after walking half way round the stadium (plenty of Jocks, mind).

This was because the Jocks had all flown in that morning (or previous day), whereas the NI fans travelled down on the day, with the coaches all leaving Belfast etc mid-to-late afternoon, some even after work. Consequently, the vast bulk of the GAWA only arrived less than two hours before kick-off. Which was why, when my own little group of NI/ROI/Scottish fans were having a drink and pre-match bite to eat (in Jurys, Berkeley Court etc), we saw not one single incident of misbehaviour, as the arriving NI fans started to mingle with the Scots.

Now it may be that there was trouble after the game and I wouldn't have seen it (my lift home needed us to get back to the car by 9.58 pm, before the clamper arrived). But whatever did happen, any "account" of it by you has less than zero credibility, since not only were you not there, but you have a track record of making things up, in an attempt to corroborate your clearly bigoted agenda against anything to do with the GAWA.

That picture appeared at the time and was used by one 'reputable' paper and indicated it was a NI fan. If my point was to subtle, then I will have to spell such things out in much simpler language.

As for the reports, the main source was a live radio show that covered events for at least an hour. Residents, taxi drivers, stewards, NI supporters were all interviewed live. Certainly there were some who saw little or nothing, but the vast majority were very angry about the things that they had seen, heard and experienced. As I said before, why would they make all this up?

[ArdeeBhoy]

Is this the one you are referring to?

http://www.herald.ie/national-news/c...i-2533967.html

Does sound a bit OTT right enough, but no smoke without fire.
Even if it was 50 or less, a bit embarrassing.

Though at least we are potentially capable of hosting the next fixture, given the current state of their ground couldn't see it being hosted in Beal-feirste in the next decade. Unless they had to....
And any misbehaviour there would not have been so gently tolerated.

[ArdeeBhoy]

And look forward to the likes of 'Bothered of Belfast' bombarding The Herald with irate correspondence about the facts being misrepresented.
Hmm, sounds familiar.

[awec]

That picture appeared at the time and was used by one 'reputable' paper and indicated it was a NI fan. If my point was to subtle, then I will have to spell such things out in much simpler language.

As for the reports, the main source was a live radio show that covered events for at least an hour. Residents, taxi drivers, stewards, NI supporters were all interviewed live. Certainly there were some who saw little or nothing, but the vast majority were very angry about the things that they had seen, heard and experienced. As I said before, why would they make all this up?

You're still trying to push it? I'm starting to feel embarrassed for you..

[jbyrne]

I am going out on a limb here and predicting that this tournament will be a success. I anticipate a good sized crowd against Scotland (and a good game) and then the game against the Nordies will have its own flavour and atmosphere and we will probably need to win it to win the tournament.

Scoff all you want at it but I am looking forward to the next two games.

Also good for tourism bringing the punters from up North and across the pond

And it's hi ho and up the Celtic League we go...

isnt the scotland game our last?

anyway, agree with you re the success of the tournament. our match v scotland should be decent with a competitive edge assuming we both equal each others results in 2nd games. looking at a scottish forum earlier they all seem to have had a great time wednesday and cant wait to come back in may. by far beats a drab frindly v brazil anyday. lets hope our fans take to the remaining games as well as the scots have to theirs

[awec]

isnt the scotland game our last?

anyway, agree with you re the success of the tournament. our match v scotland should be decent with a competitive edge assuming we both equal each others results in 2nd games. looking at a scottish forum earlier they all seem to have had a great time wednesday and cant wait to come back in may. by far beats a drab frindly v brazil anyday. lets hope our fans take to the remaining games as well as the scots have to theirs

This is the biggest positive about the whole thing imo, i'd rather do this than some crappy friendly against some crappy eastern european team (the sort of fixture we are ALWAYS landed with) who beat us because our team doesn't turn up.

[Mr_Parker]

You're still trying to push it? I'm starting to feel embarrassed for you..

Push what exactly? You tried to deny anything 'wrong' happened. "a good day was had by all" to quote you directly. I challenged you an that based on what had been reported and also asked you why would people go to the trouble of making it all up. You then moved from "a good day was had by all" to conceding that there may have been some incidents. You then demanded reports from reputable newspapers, I highlighted, obviously to subtley for some, that even so-called reputable papers get it wrong, therefore highlighting the pointlessness of posting anything for you. I have nothing to be embarrassed for. If you keep denying a problem exists, there is little chance of ever moving the reputation of NI football fans.

[awec]

Push what exactly? You tried to deny anything 'wrong' happened. "a good day was had by all" to quote you directly. I challenged you an that based on what had been reported and also asked you why would people go to the trouble of making it all up. You then moved from "a good day was had by all" to conceding that there may have been some incidents. You then demanded reports from reputable newspapers, I highlighted, obviously to subtley for some, that even so-called reputable papers get it wrong, therefore highlighting the pointlessness of posting anything for you. I have nothing to be embarrassed for. If you keep denying a problem exists, there is little chance of ever moving the reputation of NI football fans.

Still waiting for a reputable news source, photos, quotes from the guards or quotes from the stewards. You've had all day Parker.

Don't try and fob us off with lies again either. Didn't work earlier and it won't work now.

Face it, you've been outed as the sad little bitter man you are.

[EalingGreen]

That picture appeared at the time and was used by one 'reputable' paper and indicated it was a NI fan.

At the time of what? And in which "reputable paper"? And how was it indicated as being "an NI fan"? Can you reproduce the link which indicated it was an NI fan?
The facts are quite simple. Following posts where you attempted to tarnish the name of NI fans at the AVIVA, you Googled until you found a 2 year old photo of a Polish hoolie, who superficially could have been mistaken for an NI fan, and posted it in a a blatant attempt to deceive posters on this thread into thinking it was a photo of an NI fan outside the AVIVA on Wednesday.

If my point was to subtle, then I will have to spell such things out in much simpler language.

You were not attempting subtlety - unless "subtlety" means blatant lying.

As for the reports, the main source was a live radio show that covered events for at least an hour. Residents, taxi drivers, stewards, NI supporters were all interviewed live. Certainly there were some who saw little or nothing, but the vast majority were very angry about the things that they had seen, heard and experienced. As I said before, why would they make all this up?

The sum total of your attempt to blacken the name of the GAWA amounts to (your account of) a radio phone-in show, which conveniently is unavailable for the rest of us to hear, plus a report by the Showbiz correspondent(!) of a tabloid rag, the Evening Herald.

And as regards this latter, amidst all the "Is no-one thinking of the children?" sensationalism, it was what was not reported, rather than what was which tells the truer story. That is, there was no criminal damage to report, no fighting to report, no confrontations with the Gardai or local residents to report and no arrests.

Which is not to say that a minority of the 6k+ NI fans who were in Dublin didn't make *******s of themselves when drunk - I daresay they did. But if waving flags and singing political songs etc is the sum total of their misbehaviour, then reprehensible though that is, it hardly amounts to a re-run of The Troubles, does it?

Face it, Parker/Red Rabble, your mask has slipped for all to see over this. And try as you might to try to recover the situation, anyone re-reading back through this thread will see plainly and clearly that for all your fancy words and implied authority etc, you are nothing more than the mirror image of the (red) rabble who sang the Sash in D4 on Wednesday night - bitter, prejudiced and contemptible.

[awec]

Well said EalingGreen, couldn't have put it better myself.

Parker, you're a joke.

[EalingGreen]

Push what exactly? You tried to deny anything 'wrong' happened. "a good day was had by all" to quote you directly. I challenged you an that based on what had been reported and also asked you why would people go to the trouble of making it all up. You then moved from "a good day was had by all" to conceding that there may have been some incidents. You then demanded reports from reputable newspapers, I highlighted, obviously to subtley for some, that even so-called reputable papers get it wrong, therefore highlighting the pointlessness of posting anything for you. I have nothing to be embarrassed for. If you keep denying a problem exists, there is little chance of ever moving the reputation of NI football fans.

What "subtlety"?
The process is clear:
1. After failing to find a photo of NI fans rioting in Dublin etc, you instead tried to pass off a photo of a Polish fan confronting the PSNI as "confirming" your allegations.
2. Your lie was exposed.
3. You then tried to deny your attempted deception by pretending that your point actually was that even reputable papers can get the facts wrong etc. Yet when pushed, you have been unable to show which such source had misrepresented the photo as being of an NI fan.
4. Finally, you resort to trying to impugn the intelligence of the rest of us by implying that we are unable to appreciate your "subtlety".

All of which would be bad enough, were it not for the fact that reputable papers sometimes getting the facts wrong is no answer to awec's charge that entirely disreputable papers like the Herald don't care whether they get it right or wrong, so long as they get a sufficiently sensationalist "story" to cause gullible, credulous and (frankly) thick-witted gombeens to buy their s h i tty rag...

P.S. Still waiting to hear whether Cliftonville are due any transfer add-on from Werder Bremen now that Liam Boyce has got a full NI cap. You stated that you knew, without giving any good reason why you wouldn't say. More bull s h i t, eh?

[Mr_Parker]

Still waiting for a reputable news source, photos, quotes from the guards or quotes from the stewards. You've had all day Parker.

Don't try and fob us off with lies again either. Didn't work earlier and it won't work now.

Face it, you've been outed as the sad little bitter man you are.

Quotes, pic etc of what exactly? There was a radio show, people phoned in their experiences. You claimed all had a good day, those reports contradicted your take on things. I challenged you on your take. I have nothing to prove. The only bitterness is those in denial.

[awec]

Quotes, pic etc of what exactly? There was a radio show, people phoned in their experiences. You claimed all had a good day, those reports contradicted your take on things. I challenged you on your take. I have nothing to prove. The only bitterness is those in denial.

You challenge me on my take? That's rich. Despite the numerous facts on here posted about the number of arrests and the guards opinion on the matter, you're challenging my take?

Do one.

You are a sad, pathetic, bitter little man. Time to cut your losses and shut your mouth.

[Mr_Parker]

What "subtlety"?
The process is clear:
1. After failing to find a photo of NI fans rioting in Dublin etc, you instead tried to pass off a photo of a Polish fan confronting the PSNI as "confirming" your allegations.
2. Your lie was exposed.
3. You then tried to deny your attempted deception by pretending that your point actually was that even reputable papers can get the facts wrong etc. Yet when pushed, you have been unable to show which such source had misrepresented the photo as being of an NI fan.
4. Finally, you resort to trying to impugn the intelligence of the rest of us by implying that we are unable to appreciate your "subtlety".

All of which would be bad enough, were it not for the fact that reputable papers sometimes getting the facts wrong is no answer to awec's charge that entirely disreputable papers like the Herald don't care whether they get it right or wrong, so long as they get a sufficiently sensationalist "story" to cause gullible, credulous and (frankly) thick-witted gombeens to buy their s h i tty rag...

P.S. Still waiting to hear whether Cliftonville are due any transfer add-on from Werder Bremen now that Liam Boyce has got a full NI cap. You stated that you knew, without giving any good reason why you wouldn't say. More bull s h i t, eh?

On Boyce you don't deserve an answer given your previous 'subtle' comments. On the rest, the pic was posted directly under the sentence discussing reputable papers. As for a source, it was initially posted on the BBC website and subsequently replaced after complaints. Also if you rememer pics and video of another polish fan attacking people while in possesion of an 'ulster' flag also had their captions changed after intially describing him as a NI fan.

[Mr_Parker]

You challenge me on my take? That's rich. Despite the numerous facts on here posted about the number of arrests and the guards opinion on the matter, you're challenging my take?

Do one.

You are a sad, pathetic, bitter little man. Time to cut your losses and shut your mouth.

So you still believe "a good day was had by all"?