Celtic Cup thread

**paul_oshea** · 02/02/2011, 10:17 PM

Maybe with the wingers not there he has to give coleman a chance on the wing.

Anyway where are all those pessimists now....on reflection it might have been a bit premature

But seriously, i hope he just plays mccarthy/clark/coleman and in the positions we would expect to see them.

Is kilbane playing on the Sunday?

**tetsujin1979** · 02/02/2011, 10:33 PM

Originally Posted by paul_oshea

Is kilbane playing on the Sunday?

no, Huddersfield are playing the same night as the Wales game. Might not have been released?

**paul_oshea** · 02/02/2011, 10:37 PM

Surely trap knew that when he announced the squad though?

**SwanVsDalton** · 02/02/2011, 11:21 PM

There's always a lot of hauranging about national squads and clubs. I think generally national managers pick who they want and deal with difficulties when and if they arrive. Trappatoni wouldn't be alone if that's his method.

**Charlie Darwin** · 03/02/2011, 2:12 AM

Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

no, Huddersfield are playing the same night as the Wales game. Might not have been released?

No, it's an official international day so the club would have to release him. It's only the Premier League and Championship that suspend play for internationals usually, which is why Huddersfield play the same day. I think Trap's just rightly figured he'll be getting a game anyway so why not give Clark or whoever else a shot.

**TrapAPony** · 03/02/2011, 5:16 AM

Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

no, Huddersfield are playing the same night as the Wales game. Might not have been released?

It's only a Johnstone's Paint Trophy 2nd leg in which Huddersfield are 4-0 down to Carlisle from the first leg.

**ifk101** · 03/02/2011, 7:06 AM

Odd that Trapattoni chose to drop Keith Fahey. Looking at his midfield selection, it looks like he has brought in McCarthy as cover from Lawrence in the absence of McGeady, and Treacy is the cover for Duff in the absence of Hunt.

Fahey is now either fourth choice for left midfield, or fifth choice for one of the central roles depending on which position Trapattoni see Fahey as best suited.

**ArdeeBhoy** · 03/02/2011, 1:35 PM

At this stage have given up wondering how Trap's mind works.
He's probably going to see out the campaign, so we'll just have to leave it in his less than flexible hands.

Shame how it all seems to be panning out though.

**EalingGreen** · 03/02/2011, 2:22 PM

Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

No, it's an official international day so the club would have to release him. It's only the Premier League and Championship that suspend play for internationals usually, which is why Huddersfield play the same day.

Dunno if it applies to JPT* games, but for League games, clubs in League One or League Two are permitted to reschedule games should two(?) players get called up for international duty.

* - Even if Huddersfield had other possible international call-ups besides KK, I'd still imagine they'd go ahead with the Carlisle game as scheduled, since they're v.unlikely to go through and a Saturday game would be preferable to the manager and fans than a midweek re-arrangement (i.e. end-of-season fixture congestion could jeopardise Hudderfield's play-off hopes)

**shakermaker1982** · 03/02/2011, 2:40 PM

How come Lee Camp hasn't been called up EG? Is he still on board? He's a good keeper.

**DeLorean** · 03/02/2011, 2:52 PM

He's an excellent keeper alright. Hard to believe he's still only 26, seems like he's been around forever. I'd happily take him for the Republic.

**EalingGreen** · 03/02/2011, 2:57 PM

Originally Posted by shakermaker1982

How come Lee Camp hasn't been called up EG? Is he still on board? He's a good keeper.

We're very keen and he's still keen*, but a backlog at FIFA is delaying his registration, in the same way as eg Shane Duffy had to wait.

* - At least now it's clear England/Capello don't want him!

**DeLorean** · 03/02/2011, 2:58 PM

We'll steal him yet!

**ArdeeBhoy** · 03/02/2011, 3:17 PM

Well, as said on the Liam Boyce thread amongst others, LB, LC & Adam Barton are all up for grabs. Trap may notice in his lifetime??

Despite the CAS ruling, you can't blame the North for capping them in a competitive game to tie them down.
Westwood is as good as Camp or vice versa.

Not seen Barton or Boyce play though. Celtic were linked with Boyce but even they can't go on signing every promising Catholic from the North....

**EalingGreen** · 03/02/2011, 3:21 PM

Originally Posted by DeLorean

We'll steal him yet!

Don't think he qualifies.

As I understand it, someone is automatically eligible from birth for Irish citizenship law if he, or a parent, was born in Ireland (either part). And it is this automatic entitlement which makes a player eligible to represent ROI, under FIFA's Article 15.

Whereas if someone only has a Grandparent born in Ireland (either part), then he may apply for Irish citizenship and will normally be granted it - especially if he's a decent footballer! - but it is not automatic. Therefore such players do not qualify for ROI under Article 15.

Instead, they have to rely on Article 18 (refers to someone switching Nationality), which as well as requiring the applicant to hold the relevant citizenship, also requires that he either have a (biological) parent/grandfather born within the jurisdiction of the Association in question, or have resided there for a minimum period.

Camp's connection to Ireland is, I believe, a Belfast-born grandfather.

**Stuttgart88** · 03/02/2011, 3:26 PM

Originally Posted by paul_oshea

Surely trap knew that when he announced the squad though?

Trap has his failings but I won't be critical of him for not knowing that Huddersfield have a second leg of the JPT to play that night!

**EalingGreen** · 03/02/2011, 3:38 PM

Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

Well, as said on the Liam Boyce thread amongst others, LB, LC & Adam Barton are all up for grabs. Trap may notice in his lifetime??

Re Boyce, his newspaper comments indicate he's happy enough to play for us.
Re. Barton, if he doesn't make it for England, then he'll consider NI - if we still want him by then. Either way, there is no indication he has ever been interested in playing for ROI.
Re Camp, he doesn't qualify (see my previous post).

Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

Despite the CAS ruling, you can't blame the North for capping them in a competitive game to tie them down.

I'm not sure that the Nations Cup meets FIFA's definition of a "competitive" tournament for elibility purposes. And even if it should, I'm uncertain about the ethics or practicality of such a ruse.

Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

Westwood is as good as Camp or vice versa.

No idea, but in any case, I've no more interest in Westwood than I have in any other foreign keeper.

Camp will do for me, thank you very much.

Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

Not seen Barton or Boyce play though. Celtic were linked with Boyce but even they can't go on signing every promising Catholic from the North....

Hmmm. I somehow imagine that Celtic would not thank you for ascribing a sectarian element to their recruitment policies*.

* - On the playing side, at least...

**paul_oshea** · 03/02/2011, 4:20 PM

Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

Trap has his failings but I won't be critical of him for not knowing that Huddersfield have a second leg of the JPT to play that night!

Ya that was a leading question stutts, well done. I mean if he didn't i was suggesting that it was a failing(which was mentioned before about not keeping up to date/watching enough players etc) but that is a mickey mouse thing so we would give leeway on this one.