QuoteI think it'll beOriginally Posted by shakermaker1982
McCarthy on for GibsonCode:Given Coleman Dunne St Ledger O'Shea Lawrence Gibson Whelan Duff Keane Doyle
Fahey to come on for either winger
Long to come on for Keane
You're not completely right Tets, the James McCarthy thread has turned into a discussion about how to pronounce Bonner and a history of Packie's exploits! I do love this site!
I think it'll be
McCarthy on for GibsonCode:Given Coleman Dunne St Ledger O'Shea Lawrence Gibson Whelan Duff Keane Doyle
Fahey to come on for either winger
Long to come on for Keane
I seriously doubt he'd even consider Coleman or McCarthy for the next qualifier. He'll only make changes in a position he feels there's a weakness, and there's only the possibility that he considers left back a weakness right now.
He's strongly hinted it will be Clark on as left full. Which means probably O'Shea at RB. With Bale out and the lack of wingers in the squad - possibly he's considering Coleman for RW?
I think he may try McCarthy in the no.10 as he's suggested. Then again, of the 3 we want to see Clark Coleman and McCarhy - we'll probably only see Clark :P
I wouldn't be surprised to see McCarthy start this game, nor would it surprise me if St Ledger was dropped. Coleman's impressive form will hopefully be rewarded with at least the guts of a half and perhaps both Keane and Doyle will make way for Long and Best in the second half. I would like to see how Wilson performs in midfield, but for some reason I think Trap will stick with his seeming favourites.
I wouldn't be suprised to see this:
That way, if he does spring any suprises, then I might actually get excitedCode:Given Kelly Dunne St Ledger O'Shea Lawrence Green Whelan Duff Doyle Keane
about this game.
A million to one shot he starts this
Code:Westwood Coleman Wilson Clark O'Dea Gibson McCarthy Fahey Walters Best Long
That team would be eaten alive. Wilson hasn't played CB in ages, O'Dea is the worst LB option we have and Gibson/Walters/Best are far down the pecking order where they should beCode:Westwood Coleman Wilson Clark O'Dea Gibson McCarthy Fahey Walters Best Long
Duh, I know that. I just made a team out of the 11 players not in the other 11 i named because its the most unlikely thing you'd see Trapattoni do.
Fair enough, just odd to post it then!
In footballing terms, NI is actually a country, or nation, since it plays international football, but no matter.
What I'm more interested in is your answer to the question which you've already dodged three times (post #'s 419, 424, 433), namely whether you consider NI to be the territory of the FAI.
To make it easy for you, I've supplied the only two possible answers for you to confirm/delete as appropriate:
1. Yes
2. No
To answer yer question to geysir, Yes! As defined by the C.A.S. judgement.
But as you keep reminding us, they can always say No!
Boyce just happy to play international football, but eligible for both. Barton/Camp, based on the CAS If they're eligible for you, eligible for us?
But would say your need is greater. As your goal-keeping situation is potentially more dire once the German fella steps down.
Inclined to agree!I'm not sure that the Nations Cup meets FIFA's definition of a "competitive" tournament for elibility purposes. And even if it should, I'm uncertain about the ethics or practicality of such a ruse.
Given he, as many of the diaspora, could technically have had a Brit.passport and they then would be eligible for any of the Brit. associations, hmm.No idea, but in any case, I've no more interest in Westwood than I have in any other foreign keeper.
Which is a rule that the IFA have ruthlessly (and fairly) exploited by recruiting all those players born outside the Six Counties for their U-21 team and doubtless have to rely even more so on in the future as more players drift Dublin-wards.
How so? Celtic have had hundreds of Protestants (& various others) work for them over many years. Jock Stein & Kenny Dalglish being two notable examples. Not to mention a good no. of the locally-born '67 team.I somehow imagine that Celtic would not thank you for ascribing a sectarian element to their recruitment policies*.
* - On the playing side, at least...
Teams picks itself....Code:Squad Watch Westwood 90 Minutes Conceded 1 Given Unused Substitute Coleman 90 Minutes RM Dunne 90 Minutes CB St Ledger 90 Minutes CB Clark 90 Minutes LB O'Shea Unused Substitute O'Dea Unused Substitute Kelly Not in Squad Green 90 Minutes CM McCarthy 82 Minutes RF Scored 2 Duff 67 Minutes LM Fahey Substitute Wilson Unused Substitute Whelan Unused Substitute Gibson Not in Squad Long 90 Minuted ST Doyle 90 Minutes ST Scored 1(maybe) Keogh 90 Minutes Scored 1 Keane -- Minutes Walters Sub 24 Minutes Stokes Substitute
Last edited by Closed Account; 06/02/2011 at 12:57 PM. Reason: Update
St. Ledger played today as Preston were hammered 4-0 by Bristol City. (Keogh on the scoresheet for Bristol.) Brown Phil will need more than an on-pitch sit-down to save them from relegation. A worryingly poor season for Sean.
There's no way O'Shea starts at LB under Trap. Not in a million years.
Balls! The CAS determined that NI-born players (and by extension, the sons of NI-born parents) are eligible for the FAI. It did not address the question of territoriality.
Who said anything different?
With an NI-born parent, Barton is eligible for both NI and ROI. There is absolutely no indication whatever that he is interested in playing for the ROI. On the contrary, he very likely is not. Therefore if he doesn't ever come under consideration for England, then he may revert to NI. If we want him, that is.
As for Camp, no-one on this thread has produced any evidence from FIFA's Articles as to why he should be eligible for ROI; on the contrary, any rational reading of the relevant Articles (15 and 17) make it clear that he is not. On top of which, whilst he has expressed clear enthusiasm for playing for NI, he has never even mentioned ROI.
Oh, and btw, your reference to "the German fella" is not so clever as you think. Big Maik may have been born in Germany, but that is only because his Da was stationed there with the British Army. And since Maik later joined the Army himself, he can justly claim to be as British as they come.
Double balls!
First, Westwood already is British, since he was born in the UK. And if he ever travelled abroad before seeking (dual) Irish nationality, then he must already have acquired a British Passport.
Second, under an agreement between the four British Associations, which has been lodged with FIFA, English-born players may not represent NI, Scotland or Wales unless they have a parent or grandparent from one of those places.
With the exception of Big Maik (and maybe Channel Islander Trevor Wood?), every single NI player at every level for the last 20 years (at least) has had a parent or grandparent who was born in NI. And the anomaly whereby we could select Maik (and Wood) has long since been closed, with the IFA's willing agreement.
You were the one who introduced religion into the thread, by bleating on about Celtic recruiting "Northern-born Catholics" etc.
As it happened, there is plenty I could say about sectarianism in the green half of the Auld Firm, but I won't clog up this thread further with it.
However if you are interested in educating yourself further, you might want to read Tommy Gemmell's Autobiography, "Lion Heart", for a few pointers on the topic.
can we please leave this thread to discussion of the tournament? Im getting sick of these arguments surfacing in every second thread.
I like high energy football. A little bit rock and roll. Many finishes instead of waiting for the perfect one.
Cue EG and AB telling Stu that he doesn't have to read the thread...
DID YOU NOTICE A SIGN OUTSIDE MY HOUSE...?
We should have a thread specifically for not discussing eligibility issues and let everything else be fair game.
Let's get a thread going on how O'Shea can't play left back.
Best and Lawrence both withdrawn from the squad and replaced by Keogh. Stokes still on standby and no word on McCarthy.
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