Anyone see Phil Babb's clinical finish in the shoot-out, or was I imagining it?!
Gary Breen's spot kick wasn't bad either, but yer man who tried the Aldridge should be shot, or at least transfer listed!
Breen & McAteer had good games.
Thornton played OK but looks at least a stone over weight.
But under McCarthy they play horrible football, ball hoofed forward
at every opportunity.
Anyone see Phil Babb's clinical finish in the shoot-out, or was I imagining it?!
Gary Breen's spot kick wasn't bad either, but yer man who tried the Aldridge should be shot, or at least transfer listed!
Babb's finish was class, as was Breen's. JW should be given the blow dryer treatment after that. What a tosser, you only do that sort of thing if you're a regular penalty taker, and good at that. So that's 5 Irish players still in Division 1 next year............On another note, Ian dowie is an ugly *******
Kevin Kyle was their best player in both legsOriginally Posted by davros
Very dissapointing,esp. being only 2 mins away from the final.......
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I am sure if they practised penalties Mc Carthy would have realised that yer man Whitley takes penalties like that but then again that would be preparing for penalties and sure why would you want to do something like that. It is much better fun going to the press afterwards and saying my lads gave it all and we were unlucky. Does he ever think that no person can have that amount of bad luck, and actually it may not be bad luck at all.
Dunno what whitely was thinking!
But why Kyle never took a penalty by the 7th person - he is a striker ffs and whitely is a holding midfielder (more reason not to try to be di canio)
Good to see Hughsie take the plaudits though - he had a terrible 16 months out
If you look at the quality of kyle for a bit striker at his age 22 and what Niall Quinn was like at his age the signs are great for kyler ! If only he was irish would be a great foil for Robbie Keane. Alan Lee will never really be a patch on him. Watching game last night in pub in my sunderland jersey and when jayo missed the pen some gimp shouted out **** off you english ****** come on keano ! The mentality of some of the people in Ireland is unbelievable. They were not shouting that when he scored against holland were they ?
Well you never know they might have been saying when he scored look at the ****ing muppet been there at the right place at the right time and good finish but he was lucky to be still on the pitch as the protection he gave garry kelly in that match was terrible. Football is a funny game and there are times when someone scores in a game and becomes the hero but in fact they have had a poor game. That is what happened against Holland. but in the away game Mc Ateer played very well. I think last nights game does show that Mc Carthy is still lost in the world where he thinks he is unlucky at last minute goals etc and penalty shoot outs. This is nothing to do with luck, its to do with attitude and preparation and basically reducing your chances of loosing. Man Utd won a serious number of games in the lastt few minutes. This is not luck it is to do with attitude and team spirt and skill too. I wonder did sunderland practice their penos before the game. I woudl say the Palace lads did as Dowie comes across as the sort of manger who looks at the science of management rather than Mc Carthys heart on the sleeve approach.
Kevin Kyle is one of the poorest players I've seen in a long time, and is not the sort of player Ireland need. No wonder Scotland are struggling.
Scotland got to the play offs and beat holland at home in the play offs and beat Iceland away and drew with Germany at home. We did not get to the play offs so if they are struggling well what are we doing. There form in friendlies has been terrible but then again should a team be judged on friendlies or real matches. Kyle was the best Sunderland player against Millwal and was winning everything in the 2nd half against them but of course Mc Carthy decided to take him off just as he was dominating the match. Andy Gray, Martin Tyler, Niall Quinn were all left dumbstruck by the substitution.
As usual Condex I disagree with your every post.Can't for the life of me understand this.Even Chris Kamara was saying that they had most success with high balls in towards him.He was by far the biggest threat Sunderland had going forward.He was about the only thing the Palace backs couldn't deal with and scored 2 good goals in the games,the second one showed particular skill(chest down in the box ffs!hardly easy).....
Shouldn't have been still on after that stamp on McAteer...obviously a Keanite
Here we go again.....
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They drew with the Faroe Islands and were lucky to only lose the return leg to Holland 6-0. Whatever about our situation Scotland's is far worse.
Kyle is a poor man's Quinner. Can do a job but hardly the answer to anyone's prayers.
I think people who are saying kyle is poor have not seen many sunderland games then. Ask any Sunderland fan what they think of him now they will all say how he has improved greatly and 16 goals in a season dont show him up as a poor striker. We need a big man up front ourselves and i really dont have too much faith in alan lee.
And to slag mick after the heroics he has worked this season is childish .
Fair Play. McCarhty inherited a nightmare at Sunderland and nearly got them straight back into the Premier. To blame his tactical sense is a bit much when they went out to a lst minute goal where Poom was clearly fouled by Shipperley.
Sorry it is not childish, Mc Carthy is at the level that he belongs at, he is a guy that will get the team playing with guts and determination but when it really comes down to it they will blow it as he does not have the expertise or professionalism of a top manger. He is a bit like Kevin Keegan in that way, manages with the heart rather than the head. Probably a nice man but not clinical enough to be at the top. Sunderland have a stadium of 40,000 or course they should be chasing promotion to the top league. He has done a decent job there but not heroics. The facts are that he took them over in the Premier league when they were doomed and he manged to lose all a load of matches, not his fault but not heroics either. Then the next season they got to the play offs, but so did joe royle, alan pardew and ian dowie. Ian Dowie took over when place where looking like heading to the 2nd. SO again hardly heroics. He has done a decent job to steady the ship but no more or no less. I would nearly put money on again that next season they will have another hard luck story to tell. Mc Carthy is the king of Hard luck stories. Remember this is the guy that took Kyle off againt millwall. And this thing about last minute goals, that is not unlucky. Anyone remember Croatia, Macedonia, all last minute goals. It is about attitude and playing till the end etc.
The idea of a competitino is to get as high in the group as possible. They got second we got third. I am not saying they are a better team then us, be we are in no positino to be slagging off the Scottish team.
Penalties are a lottery but the managers job is to reduce that lottery by making sure that the players practice and practice the penalties as much as possible. THat is why Germany have won so many penalties. Taking a penalty is second nature to them. The same with Birmingham the season they went up they pracised the walk everything. If peole here like the mangers to be nice guys who wear the heart on their sleeve and roar like a sea lion well thats all well and good. But in the professional era and in the clinical world of sport you need to look at these things in a scientific way. mc Carthy is at the level he belongs and he will go no further I have been sayi8ng that for the last 8 years. It is why he shoudl have not got the Irish job in the first place and he still has not learnt. This has nothing to with Roy Keane. I think that Sunderland fans are in for an exciting season next season as they will probably be chasing promotion and get a decent cup run etc. but when it really boils down to it they will be just short. That is the story of Mc Carthys career he is just short every time and it will continue like this as you need more than a heart to be successful
Well that's like saying Saudi Arabia were better than Holland because they qualified for last world cup. Not slagging Scotland off but they have a poor side with only Fletcher and the over rated McFadden coming through. Very few of the Scottish side would get into the Ireland team.
No really bothered if you disagree with my post. I've watched a number of
Sunderland matches on TV this season and in my opinion Kyle is a donkey and Sunderland would need at least 6/7 new quality players.
I find it funny you quoted me , where i said i am not saying scotland are better than ireland, and then you go on to say that it is like saying saudi arabia are better than hollan because they qualified for the last world cup. Now if you are giong to put up arguments against my post at least read what i say. You are only making your self look rather silly.
Hardly making myself look rather silly but accept defeat on that technicality.
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