Paisley Trying To Convert Catholics...

[liam88]

Liam, that would make him 'An Irish anti Irish biggot'

Well he claims he's not Irish and to be honest I'm good with that
Let's draw this thread to a close

[Jim Smith]

This is the death-throws of Paisley and lunatic personal religion.
The best thing to do is just ignore the whole thing. I supose I should practice what I preach

[Peadar]

most religions thrive on fear so you can't single Paisley out on that one...

I was talking more about his political success rather than his success as a religious leader. In a peaceful land his flock would number in the 10's and be on the decline. I've had so many colleagues come down from Antrim and Armagh and one thing most of them say is, "I can't believe no one asks what religion I am! All they want to know down here is what I'm having to drink."
The truth is that most of us don't care.
If a person is nice then you'll get on with them. You're not bothered about their background.

[Dodge]

I was talking more about his political success rather than his success as a religious leader.

Fair enough (although again loads of politicians like this)

Agree with your point BTW

[eoinh]

complains that the Church of Ireland and the Presbyterian Church are "too papish".

To be honest i think the Church of Ireland and the catholic church have very few differences especially down south.


Many COI members dont regard themselves as Protestent at all.
They believe in one Holy Catholic and apostolic church as well (as do some other religions).

i would call myself agnostic but from what i have seen the COI is the most enlightened and if i can use the word "holy" of the religions in Ireland. they are not simply turning up out of obidience or ritual but are the most enthusiastic and "thinking" religion on this island. Of course there are are many RC's like that.

there is no point in turning up at church if you dont believe in what is being professed or at least try to live like a christain.

Does anybody remember the story in the paper recently about the First communins and the drink that a priest was giving out about?

[Dricky]

Ummm, are we talking about the same Ian Paisley who has just seen his party become the largest party in the 6 counties and his own ascension into the top political post in that area? He's not the leader of some obscure cult (or at least he's not only the leader of some obscure cult) but he's also the main political player up there at the moment. Sure, I wish it weren't so, but we can't kid ourselves that his type are a thing of the past when his party are getting more and more popular and attracting elected representatives from the other main Unionist party...

Your mixing up the two into one.
His party and his religion are two different things. All anti agreement unionists back their party but there are some of his devine few who are in his order who are part of the UUP.
The are a cult they are a group with a particular non mainstream view on religion that is what makes them a cult. everything else he does makes him a cúnt.

The number of church members has dropped for him, religion is a hinderence in the north, people now want to be remembered for something other then religion so religion now has not the same power as before.

[brendy_éire]

religion is a hinderence in the north

Wouldn't agree with that. Most people couldn't care less about religion itself, just whether you're a Nationalist or Unionist. Certainly most Catholics don't care what religion someone is. There are more Protestants who would care, Paisley for example. But overall, ye don't think about. (Granted, it's slightly different for me since Derry is a majority Nationalist and Catholic city. May be slightly different elsewhere, but not by much)

[patsh]

In fairness to Paisley he does look after his constituents (even if you are a roman catholic).

It goes unreported (and there are very few R. catholics in his constituency) but if you go looking for help he will do his best. Apparently anyway.

Eoin, this a total myth. I have quite a lot of friends in the North, and indeed spent a lot of time there myself.
This idea has gained currency over the years, but there is not a shred of proof for it.
Paisley and his slimey son are bigoted, hate filled, despicable creeps.
The IRA, UDA, LVF etc. can be blamed for the killing over the years, but Paisley, McCrea and their ilk have spread the insidious disease of fear and loathing.
Where does the mentality for the "protest" against those little school girls come from?
Why are graves regularly deface and desecrated?
This is the Paisley gospel, the belief that you are under attack, you are being wiped out, that the "Passion of Christ" is a Catholic conspiracy to destroy us all, that school children are a "threat".
There is no comparable ethos in any of the other religions in the North.

[liam88]

COME ON DAVROS!!!!!!!!!
Davrosloyal

[dortie]

He and the Catholic Church trive on ignorance of each other,hence children are sent to different schools,play different sports etc etc etc.

Nationalists had to fund their own schooling many years back. Catholic maintained schools got damn all from the State. Why shouldnt current catholics send their children to schools who will teach them in their own faith !

Mixed schooling is another British method of diluting patriotism

[Peadar]

Mixed schooling is another British method of diluting patriotism

I think schools should be a total mix of gender, religion and race etc. because it gives a mini representation of society and better equips kids for life.

[Macy]

I think schools should be a total mix of gender, religion and race etc. because it gives a mini representation of society and better equips kids for life.

Totally agree and I have experience of both a CBS and a non-dominational school. I know which one prepared me better for life, and it wasn't the Christian Brothers.

Dortie, maybe the brits are pushing it, but infairness in Britain religion is a non-issue. I have mates that are RC, Muslin, CofE, Methodist, United Reform, Hindu, Jewish and probably many other religions that I never required or was interested to know. If it makes religion a non-issue, whats the problem?

[corkharps]

Nationalists had to fund their own schooling many years back. Catholic maintained schools got damn all from the State. Why shouldnt current catholics send their children to schools who will teach them in their own faith !

Mixed schooling is another British method of diluting patriotism

You're entitled to your opinion,but I find it very sad!

[liam88]

I used to go to a Catholic school (in England) and just up the road was the Protestant school-it was always walk on the opposite side of the road, parents and children never talk to the other side and ocassioanlly fights broke out.
Despite this both schools had all religions in them and it was more of an identity thing rather than a religious thing, for example during the fights a Protestant at the Catholic school would always fight for the Catholic school.
Needless to say the football matches were all a good laugh :P
When I left that school I went on to a Prodestant school (the only middle school in the area)-really enjoyed it although Me and my brother were the only Catholics there. I even played cricket against the Catholic school I used to go to-all good craic-so even though in England there are 'segregated' schools it's really not a religious segregation.

[Dodge]

I used to go to a Catholic school (in England) and just up the road was the Protestant school-it was always walk on the opposite side of the road, parents and children never talk to the other side and ocassioanlly fights broke out.
Despite this both schools had all religions in them

So where they religious or not? It seems that if there all sorts there, they wouldn't be religious...

And what school do you go to at the moment?

[Macy]

Liam, when I was at school we used to fight with the neighbouring school as well - and that was another Catholic school. That's just kids being kids.

[liam88]

Aye it was religious and we had Catholic masses and everything but there were a few Protestants, muslims there-not many though, more now days.
I finished school 2 weeks ago but it didn't have a religion although the head was a very strong Christian, thinko he was a baptist.
Point I was trying to make was although over ehre there are Catholic schools, CofE schools, you get a mix at each and in some places there is just a Catholic school or just a CofE school so people send their kids there rather than moving because it's not exactly rife with secaterianism.

[liam88]

Liam, when I was at school we used to fight with the neighbouring school as well - and that was another Catholic school. That's just kids being kids.

Exactly what I mean Macy-I've no doubt the kids would have fought each other even if both schools were Catholic or both CofE, just happend that there was one of each-though this might have added a bit a fule to it
But to be honest lots didn't know what they were shouting about on the ocassions whne they did yell stuff about the other religion

[Dodge]

I think you'll find most schools in England aren't segregated at all Liam.

And 15 and you've finished school?

[Peadar]

Point I was trying to make was although over ehre there are Catholic schools, CofE schools, you get a mix at each.

Well my school was run by the Daughters of Charity so you could claim that it was a Catholic school but there was a sprinkling of different religions and cultures along with the predominantly Catholic pupils. The only reason there weren't more pupils from Protestant religions was because they chose not to attend the local school but instead travel 20 miles to the Grammer School in Bandon. It always seemed to me that it was an attempt to isolate themselves rather than the fact that they were excluded from Catholic schools.