Friendly against England in June?

**John83** · 14/12/2010, 9:10 AM

Originally Posted by elroy

I think you'll find alot of the clowns that created all the trouble on the love ulster parade (stupid and all that idea was) had no connection with Irish football whatsoever. Those same clowns and their eirigi supporting chums would be more than happy to weigh in if the English came to town.

But wasn't one of them wearing a Celtic jersey.

*ducks*

**bennocelt** · 14/12/2010, 1:33 PM

Originally Posted by elroy

I think you'll find alot of the clowns that created all the trouble on the love ulster parade (stupid and all that idea was) had no connection with Irish football whatsoever. Those same clowns and their eirigi supporting chums would be more than happy to weigh in if the English came to town.

Looks like you would be happy enough to be in the away end come the match, if it ever happens. Thats not if you are already in the corporate seats with your hero Delaney

**elroy** · 14/12/2010, 4:00 PM

Originally Posted by bennocelt

Looks like you would be happy enough to be in the away end come the match, if it ever happens. Thats not if you are already in the corporate seats with your hero Delaney

Ah what justification have you for such a comment like that??! Full of factual well based argument of course.

If you condone the acts of that day (by both sides), that is your own personal opinion. I certainly dont. I think you will find though that my comment is most likely to ring true if and when the English come to town.

**BonnieShels** · 14/12/2010, 4:05 PM

Originally Posted by John83

Are you suggesting that FIFA and UEFA would rig draws? That's crazy talk.

Oh no no no no. Never would I suggest such a thing. Well... yes.

**ArdeeBhoy** · 14/12/2010, 8:42 PM

Originally Posted by elroy

If you condone the acts of that day (by both sides)

Who exactly, on the Irish side? The Gards in adminstering a riot??

**Fixer82** · 15/12/2010, 5:12 AM

Originally Posted by elroy

I think you'll find alot of the clowns that created all the trouble on the love ulster parade (stupid and all that idea was) had no connection with Irish football whatsoever. Those same clowns and their eirigi supporting chums would be more than happy to weigh in if the English came to town.

Nail. Hammer. Head.

This man articulated everything I was trying to say really

**elroy** · 15/12/2010, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

Who exactly, on the Irish side? The Gards in adminstering a riot??

No not the Guards, by both sides, I refer to the unionists/orange men who were marching in Dublin that day.........permission should never have been granted for such a parade in Dublin imo. The other side I refer to is the yobs in starting the riot, particularly those who used the building materials that were on O'Connell street that day to accentuate their violence further.

**tetsujin1979** · 15/12/2010, 1:00 PM

Originally Posted by elroy

permission should never have been granted for such a parade in Dublin imo

I think they had applied for permission for the parade twice before, and if it hadn't gone ahead the council would have been taken to court on sectarian grounds (ie banning a parade by Protestants)
It came out in the subsequent inquest, I can't remember the exact details.

**BonnieShels** · 15/12/2010, 3:54 PM

Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

I think they had applied for permission for the parade twice before, and if it hadn't gone ahead the council would have been taken to court on sectarian grounds (ie banning a parade by Protestants)
It came out in the subsequent inquest, I can't remember the exact details.

Pretty much spot on. They can't stop a parade as it was fairly tame (in official reasoning that is).
However to have it when they did knowing full well the cream of the republican movement would be there and not silent and would probably notice the large lumps of granite sitting idly by on O'Connell St was the stupidest part of the decision.
I mean what harm starting somewhere else and ending somewhere else or explain to the organisers (who may have wanted the symbolism of walking by the GPO with a Lambeg) their fears and maybe delay it til when O'Connell St was finished etc.
Anyway, It's precisely what happened that I would have had reservations about this fixture going ahead. I have no faith in our gob****es.

**jbyrne** · 15/12/2010, 5:13 PM

Originally Posted by BonnieShels

It's precisely what happened that I would have had reservations about this fixture going ahead. I have no faith in our gob****es.

but why should we give in to that threat?
i can see merits of this proposed fixture on a few levels. its ridiculous that we should be dictated to by idiots that might cause trouble

**BonnieShels** · 15/12/2010, 8:40 PM

Well that's just the start of it.
I can't see any major footballing advantage to it just yet. I think that playing them in 2011 will be a far bigger distraction than it's worth.
It will undermine the Four Associations Tournament and I think that our priorities should lie there. And besides It's not happening!

**ArdeeBhoy** · 16/12/2010, 6:02 AM

Originally Posted by elroy

I refer to the unionists/orange men who were marching in Dublin that day.........permission should never have been granted for such a parade in Dublin imo. The other side I refer to is the yobs in starting the riot, particularly those who used the building materials that were on O'Connell street that day to accentuate their violence further.

Agreed the bigots shouldn't have been there. As they only encouraged the others to come out of their shell.

Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

I think they had applied for permission for the parade twice before, and if it hadn't gone ahead the council would have been taken to court on sectarian grounds (ie banning a parade by Protestants).

I think you'll find the vast majority of Protestants in the (non-Orange) Free State would have been against those cretins marching also. So please assume no hint of sectarianism here!!

**Fixer82** · 17/12/2010, 1:36 AM

Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

I think they had applied for permission for the parade twice before, and if it hadn't gone ahead the council would have been taken to court on sectarian grounds (ie banning a parade by Protestants)
It came out in the subsequent inquest, I can't remember the exact details.

Funny they would even attempt to cry foul play when their organisation won't allow Catholics membership. Or women for that matter!

Here's Willie Frazer, the head of Love Ulster, doing what he does best. Tells us all we need to know about Love Ulster
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OX6gxYhPPJo

ps he looks like Peter Kay

**jbyrne** · 17/12/2010, 7:56 AM

Originally Posted by Fixer82

Funny they would even attempt to cry foul play when their organisation won't allow Catholics membership. Or women for that matter!

Here's Willie Frazer, the head of Love Ulster, doing what he does best. Tells us all we need to know about Love Ulster
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OX6gxYhPPJo

ps he looks like Peter Kay

after watching 30 secs of that i'm sorry i didnt join in the riots that day

**elroy** · 17/12/2010, 8:39 AM

Originally Posted by Fixer82

Funny they would even attempt to cry foul play when their organisation won't allow Catholics membership. Or women for that matter!

Here's Willie Frazer, the head of Love Ulster, doing what he does best. Tells us all we need to know about Love Ulster
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OX6gxYhPPJo

ps he looks like Peter Kay

I remember this lad on the last word around the time alright, very very difficult to listen to. Have no problem with their marches but when its carried out in the right areas. Dublin City Centre is certainly not one of them. In the ROI, the orange order is certainly a very minor group, should we allow every minor group to march down O'Connell street. I think not.

**EalingGreen** · 19/12/2010, 1:23 PM

Meanwhile back at the ranch...

What people seem to be overlooking on this suggested match is that England had been due to play away to Thailand in June. Of course, it is just possible that Capello had sound footballing reasons for seeking such a game, but most observers seem to think that it was more to do with the recent World Cup 2018 vote at FIFA, where the Thai FA had one of the 22 votes, which it was expected would be cast for the England bid. So that when Thailand voted for someone else, the English FA promptly told them to go and fuc... er, find another opponent.

At which point Delaney spotted a possible opportunity for a money-spinner for the FAI, to help them out of their current financial difficulties. (The possibility of hooliganism, whether real or remote, presumably did not figure in his reasoning)

However, when Capello got to hear of this, he realised that he could reassert his authority and demand an opponent which would be more suitable for preparing his team for their Euro Qualifiers in the Autumn.

**ifk101** · 19/12/2010, 1:39 PM

Originally Posted by EalingGreen

Meanwhile back at the ranch...

What people seem to be overlooking on this suggested match is that England had been due to play away to Thailand in June. Of course, it is just possible that Capello had sound footballing reasons for seeking such a game, but most observers seem to think that it was more to do with the recent World Cup 2018 vote at FIFA, where the Thai FA had one of the 22 votes, which it was expected would be cast for the England bid. So that when Thailand voted for someone else, the English FA promptly told them to go and fuc... er, find another opponent.

At which point Delaney spotted a possible opportunity for a money-spinner for the FAI, to help them out of their current financial difficulties. (The possibility of hooliganism, whether real or remote, presumably did not figure in his reasoning)

However, when Capello got to hear of this, he realised that he could reassert his authority and demand an opponent which would be more suitable for preparing his team for their Euro Qualifiers in the Autumn.

There have been rumours about a possible England friendly long before the World Cup 2018 vote result. The June date is paper speculation.

**Gather round** · 19/12/2010, 2:32 PM

Originally Posted by elroy

Have no problem with their marches but when its carried out in the right areas. Dublin City Centre is certainly not one of them. In the ROI, the orange order is certainly a very minor group, should we allow every minor group to march down O'Connell street. I think not

Surely opposition to an Orange Order front organisation marching down O'Connell Street isn't because it's very minor? More likely to be because it risks winding up Shinners and their hangers-on and thus provking a major riot, as happened in 2006.

The Garda and Government might have been justified in preventing the march- even if it had been just a symbolic small group of disabled and pensioners, without the Orange Order and possible paramilitary links. As it turned out, the impression given abroad was a large crowd of Dubliners rioting in Dublin.

Originally Posted by Ealing Green

At which point Delaney spotted a possible opportunity for a money-spinner for the FAI, to help them out of their current financial difficulties. (The possibility of hooliganism, whether real or remote, presumably did not figure in his reasoning)

I think the FAI will have been monitoring this, Delaney isn't completely daft. As a 'test run' for a future England game, Dublin has two separate visits by two potentially large groups of Rangers fans for the Celtic Cup games, plus God knows who for the Europa Cup Final. They'll be better prepared than in 1995.

**geysir** · 19/12/2010, 3:29 PM

Originally Posted by Gather round

Dublin has two separate visits by two potentially large groups of Rangers fans for the Celtic Cup games, plus God knows who for the Europa Cup Final. They'll be better prepared than in 1995.

Are you referring to large groups of Rangers fans being in amongst the Tartan army? Never noticed that myself, possibly the most laid back and friendly support I have ever mixed with.
Rangers is a Union Jack club, Scotland is not a Union Jack team.
I hope you Norn Iron fans can manage to behave yourselves in Dublin and leave the worst elements, tied up to the lamp posts back home.

**Gather round** · 19/12/2010, 3:52 PM

Originally Posted by geysir

Are you referring to large groups of Rangers fans being in amongst the Tartan army? Never noticed that myself

That's right. I'm fairly sure that Rangers are clearly the best-supported club side within the Tartan Army, as they are within the GAWA.

possibly the most laid back and friendly support I have ever mixed with

Like you, I've many friends who support Scotland, and never had any problems with 99%+ of their fans generally.

Rangers is a Union Jack club, Scotland is not a Union Jack team

I wasn't exagerrating any political point, merely reminding that there's an overlap between Rangers and Scotland fans. As you'd expect, given that they're clearly the best-supported club side in their country.

I hope you Norn Iron fans can manage to behave yourselves in Dublin and leave the worst elements, tied up to the lamp posts back home

I'm quite looking forward to the February game, but will give May a miss. Some trouble involving our respective trouble-makers is pretty likely, I'd say.