Sunderland lose on penalties

[NeilMcD]

sorry what you mean clean my glassess, i dont understand that comment, just wondering what it means

[lopez]

I never laughed so much as I did when Blunderland lost the shoot out. Kharma is a wonderful thing eh Mick....

A classic example why this thread was always going to lead back to Keane and why this thread has turned into another bore that needs to be locked.

You forgot "planters", "tans", "O6", "Br*ts", Neil. Clean your glasses.

And you forgot puppets, munichs, integrate...integrate...integrate...

The question I would like to ask all here is if McCarthy was such a sh*te manager and I was telling you (along with Giles) all the time, who would have been better. Kinnear wouldn't touch the job when he had the chance, and the others applying were third-raters - like it must be added is McCarthy. Difference is that for a third rate manager, McCarthy exceeded himself in the post getting Ireland to three play-offs of which he won one securing a World Cup place then getting Ireland to the second round. (Sensible) answers please from anyone?

Brian Kerr? Well I'm not going to diss the present manager for the same reason I've stopped calling Keane judas. Fickle yes, but when you start criticising your manager and express reservations you tend to end up a bitter b*stard like Silvio hoping he fails just to prove you were right all the time. But the Switzerland game in Basel was probably the most gutless and insipid performance by an Irish team for eighteen years. Nothing under McCarthy was ever like that for a full 90 minutes, and no one can deny that.

[Plastic Paddy]

sorry what you mean clean my glassess, i dont understand that comment, just wondering what it means

Meaning that you missed some Davros classics, that's all. No need to worry.

But the Switzerland game in Basel was probably the most gutless and insipid performance by an Irish team for eighteen years. Nothing under McCarthy was ever like that for a full 90 minutes, and no one can deny that.

Dead right. The worst excuse for a game of football I've ever seen Ireland play. Please God let the next visit to Basel be better than the last...

PP

[Plastic Paddy]

Gutless, clueless, spineless...the last two games in our qualifying series were a disgrace. Yet Kerr gets much more slack than McCarthy. Now can anyone tell me why is that?

<<PP ducks and runs for cover as foot.ie starts to resemble downtown Baghdad...>>

PP

[Slash/ED]

Gutless, clueless, spineless...the last two games in our qualifying series were a disgrace. Yet Kerr gets much more slack than McCarthy. Now can anyone tell me why is that?

Fairly simple, as Kerr is new in the job and will be given time to prove that he can turn things around. If it's the same story next campaign, than believe me Kerr will be getting as much abuse if not more than McCarthy from a lot of people.

[lopez]

Fairly simple, as Kerr is new in the job and will be given time to prove that he can turn things around. If it's the same story next campaign, than believe me Kerr will be getting as much abuse if not more than McCarthy from a lot of people.

Probably from the people who thought McCarthy got a raw deal, not from those like We Are Rovers who didn't give Kerr the slack your advising from day one or the Keano brigade. The question is still who would have been better than McCarthy at a. the wages he was paid and b. and more importatnly the players at his disposal. The tans paid Sven top rate and they got, what? one stage further in the World Cup with arguably? better players and a better FA. Great value for money there?

[Beavis]

So let me see Beavis you have already been proven that two points in this post are facturally wrong, One, we did concede in Irian.

Thats what you've resorted to underline my credibilty?obviously I'm aware we conceded but at a stage when the game was over,we had done what had to be done.It can be used as an example of where your theory that Mick is unable to cope under pressure,does not apply...Can you accept that he does not have the aformentioned flaw,as there are as many example to contradict as you have used to prove.And thats exactly why your not impartial,you point out the times which show him in bad light despite there being as many to show him good.

but dont dare to tell me or us that we only formed our opinions after Saipan

I will dare.Lets have a look then at your reasons for disliking him prior to Saipan shall we

he did not have enough experience as he had only managed at Division 1 with Millwall for a few years. Joe Kinnear should have been offered the job without an interview. Then when he did have the job he tried load of ideas that were so flawed it was not true

Sorry mate theres no way this accounts for your every post slating McCarthy....The first is laughable and doesn't even warrant debate,I mean the cheek of him wishing to become manager of his country .He tried load of new things?As someone already pointed out he had to try new ideas,he inherited an ageing team.And I think facts will prove that these changes we not 'so flawed it was not true' ie a cintegration of youth into a side and still managing 2nd place in qualifying twice and then WC qualification.Hardly by even the most ardent Keanite,could be described as 'so flawed it was not true'.When you look at your objection to him pre-Saipain something does not fit,as I said it in no way accounts for your every post slating him now does it(?)

Gutless, clueless, spineless...the last two games in our qualifying series were a disgrace. Yet Kerr gets much more slack than McCarthy. Now can anyone tell me why is that?

Sums it up

PS I agree this has gone on to long at this stage,were beginning to sound like stuck records.Don't find it boring though cos after all these years of debate people still manage to find new arguments...It may be the same topic but it ain't the same discussion