its not a technicality its the crux of the argument, We are in no position to slag them off, as their record in the last qualifiers was better than ours. however that does not mean that i think that scotland are a better team. It just means we cannot slag them off as people in glass houses should not throw stones.
Yeah kyles goal and overall play were very donkey like last night werent they and also his 16 goals this season what a donkey !! For a big man he has great control with his feet and if as you say you actually watch sunderland a bit you would have seen his quality in these games. They are not far from been a very good first division side and 2 or 3 changes in the summer would do it. Remember they played the last 5 games without julio arca their best player !
Might be a good thing for Sunderland in one way. If they strengthen their squad in the summer and go up next season, they're more likely to have a chance of staying in the Premier the season after.
We're not arrogant, we're just better.
You originally said it better they be judged by competitive matches not dreadful friendly results. I gave some competitve examples. Didn't slag them off just said their situation is worse than ours which it is in terms of their current squad. Closest anyone got to slagging them off was Condex by saying no wonder they were struggling with players like Kyle which hardly what you'd call bitchy. Where they finished in the group is not comparing like with like as Russia, Switzerland, Georgia, Albania are a trickier obstacle than Faroes, Lithuania, Germany and Iceland IMO. Don't recall this thread ever being used to slag off Scotland.Originally Posted by NeilMcD
I think there group was about the same as ours, World Cup finalists and iceland beat us a few years ago so not a bad team, and lithuania are as good as georgia or albania. They got to the play offs , we didnt that is a fact. So I dont think we can be saying that they are struggling and not realise that we may be struggling too they have some realy good young players coming through.
When did Iceland beat us? Remember drawing nil all at home with them and winning 4-2 away.
All comes down to opinion. IMO I find it hard to see anyone other than Fletcher, McNamara, Pearson, McFadden and Dickov making the Irish squad. Of them you cannot pick anyone of Keane, Duff, RMK, Cunningham, Carr or Given's quality. Pearson, McFadden and Fletcher are only as proven as Miller, Reid and the like. All i ever said was Scottish football is in a worse state than Irish football and i stick by that.
McCarthy probably didn't notice that Palace were down to 10 men (again). Not the sharpest tick in the box is Mick!!
yeah that is what i was trying to say earlier, ten men, last minute goals, peno shoot out, oh he is so unlucky our mick but he is a nice man and thats what counts. Sure we might as well get daniel o donnel to manage the team
Well, my mother for one would take a more active interest if we did...
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I do feel sorry for Sunderland supporters having him in charge.
For **** sake ! Mick has had a great season this year and had an excellent world cup without captain fantastic the legend that is sickboy ! He has put Sunderland into a fa cup semi and playoff position. At the start of the season all sunderland fans would have been thrilled with this. Hopefuly next season with a few decent signings he can show his true quality and get the lads promoted
I don't think Sunderland have the money for any signings at all, o1k. I'm sure I saw an interview with the chairman (Bob Murray?) recently saying as much...
PP
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Definitely.Think they missed Julio more than you'd expect.McCartney was weak defensively in this playoff,Arca has become a quality defender under Mick and also can give that spark of creativity when needed (eg in extra time yesterday).
As PP said its doubtful money will be available.I'd say he'll bring in Morrison and one or two loan/free-ers.A few of the players are getting on but I hope the team sticks together for another year.Can't think of any players who'd be preyed on by Premiership clubs in the close season ,other than Arca.They need to get Healy back for the beginning of next year cos that Whitley chap isn't great.Thorton looks a good prospect also.
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Oh how I laughed.
Great to see the two muppets McCarthy and McAteer lose out. Do you think McCarthy had them practising penalties? You can bet Dowie did.
Dowie took Palace from relegation fodder to Cardiff in a matter of months - now that's a good manager.
BTW Arca is off to West Brom. You read it here first.
KOH
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hopefully we will get a few decent loans in robinson had done well since he arrived would be good to keep. With healy back and a few decent loans maybe morrison in things can only improve. Hopefully arca will stay i think he is better than west brom anyway. He seems very committed to sunderland is adored by the fans and mick has played him where he wants unlike wilkinson he wouldnt play him at all !
People that laugh at mc ateer are just pig ignorant to me . Seems silly to laugh at your own ?
I wouldn't call our world cup anything even close to 'excellent'
so if the penos had have gone the other way ?
You cant please some people. I thought losing to spain on penos and drawing with the finalists after all the furore with sicknote was pretty good !
Conor - I hated McCarthy long before Saipan. I started hating him as a player. He summed up all that was rotten about the Charlton era. When he got the manager's job I seriously looked into changing nationality.
Sapain merely confirmed what a moron the man is and as for our "excellent" World Cup, don't get me started.
Hopefully this will spell the end of the "McCarthy is a good manager" myth which I've had to listen to for far too long from barstoolers everywhere.
Nigel Worthington, Gary Megson and Iain Dowie are good managers, McCarthy patently is not.
I'm off to practice penalties.
KOH
PS Only 1Kilbane - West Brom: Premier League, Sunderland: 1st Division. And WTF do you think Kilbane came from?
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You muppet , Kilbane came from wbrom to sunderland thus he sees it as a step up which it is . No Point in arca going to wbrom where he will bounce back again next year to div1. Im not saying he should stay at sun though i hope he does just that he far better than the likes of wba.
How can loseing to a 9 man team in any way be 'pretty good'?
That was (one of) the problems under McCarthy, we not only accepted defeat we glorified it.
The world cup consisted of drawing with two average sides, beating the worst side in the tournaments history, and loseing to a team with 9 men who are world famous for being completley useless at major tournaments, who proved that in the next round loseing to South Korea.
You can't legislate for pennos, obviously, they could have gone either way, but we should never have had to go to penaltys in the first place.
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