Setanta Cup 2011

**Ezeikial** · 20/04/2011, 1:28 PM

Originally Posted by HulaHoop

Joking aside, Ezeikial would it make any difference if Dundalk got the home dressing rooms, fans in the main stand and wore their home kit in a Tallaght final?

Irrespective of where the final ends up being played the dressing rooms and kit choice should absolutely be decided on the toss of a coin. Same tranparent equal allocation of seating / tickets etc. This is so obvious I can't understand why you even raise it - unless you are suggesting that this is some "compensation" for Tallaght being arbitrarily awarded the final (please reassure me that you dont have this level of arrogance)

**Charlie Darwin** · 20/04/2011, 1:31 PM

Originally Posted by harleyleeds

"Cork is a hole" your not a very nice person charlie.

Thomond too big but Aviva ok hmmmm.

I jest.

The Aviva would be even worse than Thomond. Rovers-Dundalk at least has the potential to attract more than 10,000 fans. Can't see Galway dragging many people down to Limerick.

**passerrby** · 20/04/2011, 1:31 PM

talla should be fine but the venue cannot be a home game for rovers so dressing rooms stands,chose of kits should all be given to dundalk to even up the advantage
as for tolka both riverside and behind goal was closed there is so much gardai crime scene tape it would look like a home game for rovers

**harleyleeds** · 20/04/2011, 1:35 PM

Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

I jest.

The Aviva would be even worse than Thomond. Rovers-Dundalk at least has the potential to attract more than 10,000 fans. Can't see Galway dragging many people down to Limerick.

Really why not its not far. Or what if it was Limerick v sligo why not terryland instead of tallaght?

**Charlie Darwin** · 20/04/2011, 1:36 PM

What have Sligo got to do with it? I didn't say every final ever should be played at Tallaght.

**Ezeikial** · 20/04/2011, 1:37 PM

Originally Posted by Mario

If you ever read the particpation rules of the Setanta Cup you'd see that the organising committee have the final say on everything.

Agreed - including the abilty to apply fairness and equality. Some would argue that it is a duty not to automatically confer an advantage to one side over the other, after the finalists have become known.

Originally Posted by Mario

This rule was put in place to stop the likes of the Pats v Shels bickering that took place in the years before this cup started.

There is no need for any bickering - neutral venue or toss of a coin is so obviously confers equal chance to both

Originally Posted by Mario

ps. Dundalk to date have never brought more than 300 to any of their games in Tallaght. Will be interesting to see how many they can bring this time around!

Taking regular attendences into account is standard practice for allocating Cup final tickets in most countries, so that regular fans as opposed to day trippers get to see the game. The tickets for this game should be allocated on the ratio on Dundalks average gates to Rovers average gates, about a 2-1 split Id say!?

Bizarre suggestion to say the least - any examples of this "standard practice in most countries"?

**Dodge** · 20/04/2011, 1:38 PM

If it becomes the TG4 Cup we can play it in Galway.

Until then its in Dublin

**Ezeikial** · 20/04/2011, 1:47 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

So far we've had Shels and Linfield both play 'nuetral' finals on their home ground. Not a big deal IMO.

There are loads of example of finals being played in the home ground of one of the participating clubs.

In every case that I am aware of this was either (a) set in advance of the competition (b) was agreed between the clubs or (c) as a result of the toss of a coin.

It is a big deal otherwise

**harleyleeds** · 20/04/2011, 1:57 PM

Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

What have Sligo got to do with it? I didn't say every final ever should be played at Tallaght.

Obviously I assumed you were when you commented on galway/cork but didnt realise you meant only the finals not involving sligo which i suspect is all finals .

**harleyleeds** · 20/04/2011, 1:59 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

If it becomes the TG4 Cup we can play it in Galway.

Until then its in Dublin

One more time whats wrong with Cork. TC is a great ground. To be clear were talking about finals in general.

**avvenalaf** · 20/04/2011, 2:03 PM

Originally Posted by harleyleeds

At half time yesterday commentator said of a Shams player "he can celebrate this victory tonight in ........" , while he was right I found his arrogance totally ignorant . Im sure Dundalk fans would think the same about yours and please stop talking up Shams , Your a Rovers fan after all.

In the words of the immortal Jack Nicholson 'You can't handle the truth'.
Being a Rovers fan should not prevent me from stating the obvious.

**harleyleeds** · 20/04/2011, 2:10 PM

Originally Posted by avvenalaf

In the words of the immortal Jack Nicholson 'You can't handle the truth'.
Being a Rovers fan should not prevent me from stating the obvious.

It should prevent you from stating that Dundalk have no chance even if it were true. The only truth I can see here is that you are (and I hate myself for saying this) a bitter dude cos shams spanked Rovers. Get with the program and give respect to Dundalk.

**SkStu** · 20/04/2011, 2:18 PM

Originally Posted by Dunny

Indoor 5-a-side, sorted.

fly keeper or last man back?

**Charlie Darwin** · 20/04/2011, 2:38 PM

Originally Posted by harleyleeds

Obviously I assumed you were when you commented on galway/cork but didnt realise you meant only the finals not involving sligo which i suspect is all finals .

Sligo are arguably the second biggest club in the country now. Depending on who they were playing, Thomond or the RDS might be a better option than Tallaght and certainly Terryland, which is barely worthy of hosting a kids' final.

**Acornvilla** · 20/04/2011, 2:46 PM

earrah just play it in Flancare and be quiet

**Dodge** · 20/04/2011, 3:05 PM

Originally Posted by harleyleeds

One more time whats wrong with Cork. TC is a great ground. To be clear were talking about finals in general.

I'd like to think Dundalk could sell 2,000 tickets for Tallaght. They wouldn't get near that for Cork. Rovers would obviously have a small percentage make the journey.

Add in factors like ease of access for TV, sponsors etc and its clear to see why Cork is a non runner.

**harleyleeds** · 20/04/2011, 3:27 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

I'd like to think Dundalk could sell 2,000 tickets for Tallaght. They wouldn't get near that for Cork. Rovers would obviously have a small percentage make the journey.

Add in factors like ease of access for TV, sponsors etc and its clear to see why Cork is a non runner.

what part of finals in general did you not get. Im talking about the statements that only tallaght is fit for a final in Ireland.Dundalk/Shamrock could surely be played in Tolka,Dalymount,Inchicore , no?

**harleyleeds** · 20/04/2011, 3:31 PM

Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

Sligo are arguably the second biggest club in the country now. Depending on who they were playing, Thomond or the RDS might be a better option than Tallaght and certainly Terryland, which is barely worthy of hosting a kids' final.

Sligo Rovers have 2000 or so support so Terryland would be fine. Atmosphere would be better too and season ticket holders would have priority to tickets ensuring loyal support.

**shep** · 20/04/2011, 3:37 PM

Ah who gives a f *ck where it is...it will be a great day out regardless!!! Most Dundalk fans know it will prob be in Tallaght and i dont think many care provided we get an equal share of tickets.Most disappointing venue for me would be Oriel cos it just wouldnt feel like a cup final and would take away from the buzz of the occasion for me

**Dodge** · 20/04/2011, 3:59 PM

Originally Posted by harleyleeds

what part of finals in general did you not get. Im talking about the statements that only tallaght is fit for a final in Ireland.Dundalk/Shamrock could surely be played in Tolka,Dalymount,Inchicore , no?

No, none of Dalymount, Tolka or Inchicore are fit enough to host a final between Dundalk and Rovers. Not even close (unfortunately). None are big enough.

And the 'in general' part of your question is immaterial. The same problems arise. Every single game that could be played in Dublin has a far lower crowd in Cork (or Limerick), and is less attractive for sponsors and media. Until the country has a fine public transport service (and road system) linking all LOI areas, then it has to be Dublin