Setanta Cup 2011

**Straightstory** · 21/04/2011, 3:48 PM

Originally Posted by HulaHoop

Capacity in Dalymount is restricted to about 3500 with only the Jodi and shed end in use. Connaught Street death trap is not passed by health and safety. Same goes for Tolka too.

I've been in Dalymount when there were 35,000 there. Bizarre to think that a ground's capacity can be reduced by 90 per cent.

**Charlie Darwin** · 21/04/2011, 3:53 PM

It's only ever had about 7,000 seats though, hasn't it? I suppose terraces are still strictly viable.

**passerrby** · 21/04/2011, 4:10 PM

Originally Posted by Ezeikial

Agree with you there. Should not be played on cement or concrete either!

If you mean matches should not be played on a FIFA 2-Star Certified FieldTurf 3G pitch, then I disagree - as do the FAI, EUFA and FIFA

ah fai eufa and fifa now there is three great bastions of common sense

**A N Mouse** · 21/04/2011, 4:17 PM

Originally Posted by passerrby

ah fai eufa and fifa now there is three great bastions of common sense

The fourth being roddy?

**El-Pietro** · 21/04/2011, 4:52 PM

who in the hell are this EUFA people keep talking about?

**BohsFans** · 21/04/2011, 6:07 PM

Originally Posted by Straightstory

I've been in Dalymount when there were 35,000 there. Bizarre to think that a ground's capacity can be reduced by 90 per cent.

4,200 is the current seated capacity, about the same as Oriel me thinks!

**Buller** · 21/04/2011, 6:11 PM

Originally Posted by El-Pietro

who in the hell are this EUFA people keep talking about?

Have you not heard?! They officially changed their name last week at the UEFA AGM. Its been on the news...

**passerrby** · 21/04/2011, 7:14 PM

Originally Posted by A N Mouse

The fourth being roddy?

No that goes to the guy on the derry board who said "Ive an idea and it involves two contracts"

**White Horse** · 21/04/2011, 7:28 PM

Originally Posted by HulaHoop

Sure if it's only a council ground in Tallaght then that surely constitutes a neutral venue?

Why was there never this level of whinging when FAI cup finals were played in Tolka and Dalymount with Shels/Bohs playing? We played Derry in a cup final in Tolka when we were playing home games there. 3 of the the 5 Setanta Cup finals have been played in one of the finalists home venues without a whimper. In a case of choosing between Oriel and Tallaght there really is only one choice.

You are currently renting this council pitch. It is your home, in the same way as Dalymount, Tolka, Morton etc etc were when you renting those.

Look, I know I may be on alien territory discussing fairness and ethics with Rovers fans. However, those other grounds you mentioned were decided upon as venues prior to the commencement of the tournaments.

Dundalk FC have acknowledged that they would have had no problem with Tallaght being the venue of the final if that had been announced at the outset of the tournament.

**mypost** · 21/04/2011, 9:37 PM

Originally Posted by White Horse

You are currently renting this council pitch. It is your home, in the same way as Dalymount, Tolka, Morton etc etc were when you renting those.

Dundalk FC have acknowledged that they would have had no problem with Tallaght being the venue of the final if that had been announced at the outset of the tournament.

You're contradicting yourself.

When Oriel has 6,000 seats, and has modern facilities that cater adequately for everyone, then Oriel and other grounds may be considered suitable to host finals in this competition.

As said before, I hope the final will be the last game played in it. The NI teams are way out of their depth, there are too many games in an already packed calendar, Setanta can't be arsed showing half of them. It's pointless.

**pauliek** · 21/04/2011, 10:20 PM

The state of SDCC F.C. and the F.A.I.

**HulaHoop** · 22/04/2011, 1:23 AM

Originally Posted by White Horse

those other grounds you mentioned were decided upon as venues prior to the commencement of the tournaments.

You see that is where you are talking sh�te. Are you seriously of the belief that the 2008 final was already decided on being played in Turners Cross before Cork City got to the final?

**bullit** · 22/04/2011, 2:51 AM

Originally Posted by HulaHoop

You see that is where you are talking sh�te. Are you seriously of the belief that the 2008 final was already decided on being played in Turners Cross before Cork City got to the final?

Never be afraid to throw your own opinon in there Hula-Hoop and the reasons why and why-not ??

**White Horse** · 22/04/2011, 3:02 AM

Originally Posted by HulaHoop

You see that is where you are talking sh�te. Are you seriously of the belief that the 2008 final was already decided on being played in Turners Cross before Cork City got to the final?

It was decided before the semi-final, if I recall.

But, ignore the facts if you wish.

It's my own fault for bringing up fair play with a Rovers fan. Moral relativism is the ethical standard applied in Talllaght.

**Charlie Darwin** · 22/04/2011, 3:09 AM

Does this really have to turn into a ****ing contest? The moment you bring up moral relativism you've probably elevated this conversation to an intellectual level it doesn't deserve.

**Dunny** · 22/04/2011, 3:24 AM

FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!

**bullit** · 22/04/2011, 4:00 AM

Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

Does this really have to turn into a ****ing contest? The moment you bring up moral relativism you've probably elevated this conversation to an intellectual level it doesn't deserve.

Brill,Kill them with words the poor fools !!
Your more full of it than the people you attack ??

**micls** · 22/04/2011, 6:26 AM

Originally Posted by White Horse

It was decided before the semi-final, if I recall.

But, ignore the facts if you wish.

It's my own fault for bringing up fair play with a Rovers fan. Moral relativism is the ethical standard applied in Talllaght.

What facts?

TC was not named the official venue til after the semi final. It was talked about before the semi that if we won it would be in TC but it wasn't announced. Even if it had been I'm not sure how this would be any fairer? Given it was dependent on us being in the final. It's absolutely no different from this situation with Tallaght.

If you have any actual facts about the finals before that links would be welcome. Given the rubbish being posted I'm skeptical about the claims of them all being fixed before the competition started as claimed above.

**passerrby** · 22/04/2011, 9:22 AM

althought it has to be tallagh it is unfair as it is ther hoops home ground and nothing will change that

**Ezeikial** · 22/04/2011, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by micls

What facts?

TC was not named the official venue til after the semi final. It was talked about before the semi that if we won it would be in TC but it wasn't announced. Even if it had been I'm not sure how this would be any fairer? Given it was dependent on us being in the final. It's absolutely no different from this situation with Tallaght.

Putting any weight on "precedents" of decisions involving that august body of football decision makers in this country is not particularly wise.

In any case it is probable that the finalists agreed to the arrangements previously. Dundalk are objecting to this unfair advantage and rightly so.

Common sense tells you that the home side has a advantage and a better chance of scooping the additional �20k prizemoney. The fans of the away team also have to stump up extra cash to travel.

If there is no willingness to apply sporting fair play the least that can be done is to provide some financial consideration to Dundalk