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    Quote Originally Posted by backtowalsall View Post
    Nothing will unless we start pouring pure alcohol or something on the roads.
    Of course that was tried, but the number of pedestrian casualties tripled overnight...
    That question was less stupid, though you asked it in a profoundly stupid way.

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    I'd prefer to stay in and pour the alcohol down me gullet. I've stocked up in preparation.

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    Haven't picked up Xmas slab yet. Will have to do so tomorrow. Hoping the roads are clear by the 26th so that I can get back to Donegal without too much hassle.
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    Nightmare !!! (Is that a nice Jag in the first or second crash?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macy View Post
    I'm not sure it is the same salt, but regardless there isn't enough salt in beach sand to be that much more effective than sand.
    Is salt not just sodium chloride regardless of whether it's table salt or sea salt or beach sand salt or whatever?

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    Yup, salt is salt, but he's right in general.

    The other reason we can't use beach sand is that it'll screw with ecology and erosion. Even small changes to beaches can result in massive erosion problems in quite a quick timespan. Entire beaches would disappear and/or appear elsewhere, miles and miles away from the source point, which can and does results in houses - and entire farms, business and towns - disappearing into the sea.

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    Sounds like a laugh. We should definitely do that!
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    Yeah. So long as it's not my farm, business or town, but it involves me getting home quicker, I can't see a problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pineapple stu View Post
    Is salt not just sodium chloride regardless of whether it's table salt or sea salt or beach sand salt or whatever?
    The salt element is the same chemically, but I don't think it's that simple. I'm obviously not an expert, but I would assume differences in the structure of the different types of salt that make them more or less effective.

    But, I think the point main point is that salty sand isn't that much more effective than sand alone - or not that much better to make it worth the potential problems that Adam pointed too. (Look up Halsands if you want to see what messing with this can do!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macy View Post
    The salt element is the same chemically, but I don't think it's that simple. I'm obviously not an expert, but I would assume differences in the structure of the different types of salt that make them more or less effective.
    Nah, the point of the salt is that salt-water melts at a lower temperature. That's it.

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    Salted grit is more effective than plain grit. Grit just helps with traction, salted grit causes the snow and ice to melt, as above, down to -18.

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    I think the size of the salt crystals makes a difference to how well it works, bigger crystals being better for whatever reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dahamsta View Post
    Yup, salt is salt, but he's right in general.

    The other reason we can't use beach sand is that it'll screw with ecology and erosion. Even small changes to beaches can result in massive erosion problems in quite a quick timespan. Entire beaches would disappear and/or appear elsewhere, miles and miles away from the source point, which can and does results in houses - and entire farms, business and towns - disappearing into the sea.

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    Sounds like a laugh. We should definitely do that!
    Intriguing. Conjurs up images of Noel Edmonds "Gotcha" segment on "Noels House Party".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schumi View Post
    I think the size of the salt crystals makes a difference to how well it works, bigger crystals being better for whatever reason.
    Dunno about that, but I do know that the reason they generally use rock salt is simply because it's cheaper.

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    If we now have loads of salt, why aren't the roads feckin gritted this morning? M50 around Tallaght is pure ice, never mind the N81 and Belgard Road. Did the NRA finish up yesterday or something?
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    POssibly. I know South Dublin (who have responsibility for N81 and belgard) were out this morning. I'm not saying they had hit those roads but they were out anyway.

    Huge problem with the m50 is jurisdiction. Neither NRA or county/city councils claim responsibility for the off ramps apparently. Not good enough eother way
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    Drove the M50 north yesterday and it was pretty scarey. The on and off ramps were a real hazard as vehicles (trucks especially) were bringing additional debris from them onto the road itself. crawled most of it at under 10mph as far as services (Lusk? ballbriggan?) Thereafter it quickly improved to a point were you could safely manage 45-50mph as far as Ardee where I'd to turn onto the N2 which was completely f***** if I may use descriptive if unparliamentary language.

    The amount of people driving at utterly inappropriate speeds for the conditions was shockin as well. Most were taking care but there are some right gob****es out there -and some of them driving 18-wheelers.
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    West Wicklow and anything along the N81 in absolute flitters with the last batch of snow still lying around everywhere,haven't driven since Monday.

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