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    http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...y-2464716.html

    Friday December 17 2010

    NICK Leeson is set to stay on as chief executive of Galway United, WRITES DANIEL McDONNELL.

    The Englishman was on the verge of departing the club due to their ongoing financial problems and recently offered the opinion that it would be difficult for them to keep him on the payroll.

    However, Leeson has agreed to stay with the Tribesmen after discussions this week which will see the Galway United Supporters Trust (GUST) have a greater say in the running of the club.

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    So is he still evil or wha?!

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    2 members of the GUST have got onto the board of directors. Would need somebody to clarify this but, I believe one will be the treasurer and the other the PRO as well as something else?

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    Treasurer ,PRO and recording secretary.The future direction of the club will be lot clearer in January. The Independent piece was pulled from RTE's very poor report on the 6 News that had a load of errors in it.
    We are the Galway Boys Stand up and make some noise"

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    Hope all goes well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lep View Post
    Hope all goes well.
    there is a building belief in gufc in galway city and county now that the trust are involved. Season tickets sales have past the 300 mark and still flying. The tribal army scheme is growing everyday and clearing the bills making it possible to get the premier league license for the coming season. Now we need Sean to get the squad together in the new year and we'll be very happy indeed.

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    It seems to be a good move to get the trust involved, more clubs might be better off going down that road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by legendz View Post
    It seems to be a good move to get the trust involved, more clubs might be better off going down that road.
    Not necessarily the panacea that it may appear. Supporters Trusts by this or other names (Co-op, Members Club etc) have had a mixed track record. Consider the Bohs situation as an obvious example. Dundalk was run as a Supporters Co-Op up to 2006 and nearly went out of existence losing a reported €1m over the previous 4 years. Shamrock Rovers Members Club is an obvious example of it working.

    Trusts / Members clubs tend to be an obvious alternate to extinction when a crises has arisen and Cork FORAS is an example of this. The Claret and Blue Club in Drogheda may also yet fall into the same category.

    It may well be that the current boards at both Drogheda and Galway have exhausted themselves and see few viable alternatives.

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    Having the a Trust involved in running a club Ezeikial is surely a good thing! Im not sure but do Dundalk Supporter Trust not have a close and significant role in the running of Dundalk fc(in that are they not represented at board/management committee level?) or is it just an informal cooperation between the two?

    It seems Supporters involvement with running GUFC has as much to do with building trust between club officials and supporters as much as additional manpower.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nesta99 View Post
    Having the a Trust involved in running a club Ezeikial is surely a good thing!
    In fairness, he gave a couple of valid cases where it's not helped. You could add Stockport County to that as well; I think they went into administration while run by the Supporters' Trust, and sold up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nesta99 View Post
    Having the a Trust involved in running a club Ezeikial is surely a good thing! Im not sure but do Dundalk Supporter Trust not have a close and significant role in the running of Dundalk fc(in that are they not represented at board/management committee level?) or is it just an informal cooperation between the two?

    It seems Supporters involvement with running GUFC has as much to do with building trust between club officials and supporters as much as additional manpower.
    I am not for a moment suggesting that it is fundamentally "bad" to have a Supporters Trust involved or running a club. I am simply saying that it should not automatically be assumed as being some magic wand or panacea to cure all ills.

    Ultimately it comes down to the people in charge making sound and rational decisions which ensure the long-term sustainability and growth of the club. The ability to resist the pressure from (some) fans for higher budgets and "instant success" takes courage and clear vision.

    Recent history suggests that this has been absent at Bohs, Cork, Drogheda, Shels, and Derry

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    Well i did mean 'involved' with running a club rather than running a club. In Dundalk's Co-op's case one of the downfalls imo was the lack of, for example, a CEO and other support staff to assist the supporter led board. Also membership was a one off payment and supporter financial assistance thus ended -whereas Shams continued to pay membership. But i agree that Supporters taking control of a club generally tends to be an interim solution in desperate times.

    I think Galway wil prevail as what seems to have been a major problem was lack of supporter consultation/involvement. This has been put right and any subsequent fan distrust of the powers that be at GUFC has been reduced. Well at least that excuse for not going to Terryland has been removed.

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    fair points all

    Quote Originally Posted by Ezeikial View Post
    I am not for a moment suggesting that it is fundamentally "bad" to have a Supporters Trust involved or running a club. I am simply saying that it should not automatically be assumed as being some magic wand or panacea to cure all ills.

    Ultimately it comes down to the people in charge making sound and rational decisions which ensure the long-term sustainability and growth of the club. The ability to resist the pressure from (some) fans for higher budgets and "instant success" takes courage and clear vision.

    Recent history suggests that this has been absent at Bohs, Cork, Drogheda, Shels, and Derry

    Managers especially that crew wearing the suits and long coats, walking around car parks looking all intimidating before mns starts are a big reason behind clubs going bust half way through seasons.

    Them as a group really need to take responsibility for pulling the wool over peoples eyes in clubs. A lot of the managers are seasoned campaigners and spot weakness in clubs and exploit without considering the cost to everyone. Stupid bonus schemes, appearance money and the non budgeting of extra costs of signing players cause a lot of the issues. If a young lad can work 36hours a week on shift in an extraordinary profitable multinational for 450 net a week maybe 550 if they work a weekend shift surely young lads committing to league clubs should be on no more, maybe if a lad is 26/27 with years of quality experience should be able to earn 500-700 a week net is plenty and as good as a lot of people would earn in good jobs. Realism will have to come into play if they want to sustain a normal run league without the recurring rubbish that happens every year. Our league is barely blue square level in the uk for the most part. An odd exception maybe a lad that can score 18-20 goals a season could peak at a grand but that should be it.

    The licence office should visit 1 club for 2 days a season and run through the paye/rsi returns, the payroll and expenses list and that will show up any spending of monies thats reckless

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    Quote Originally Posted by pineapple stu View Post
    In fairness, he gave a couple of valid cases where it's not helped. You could add Stockport County to that as well; I think they went into administration while run by the Supporters' Trust, and sold up.
    add Cobh to that

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    Progress seems to have stalled?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezeikial View Post
    Not necessarily the panacea that it may appear. Supporters Trusts by this or other names (Co-op, Members Club etc) have had a mixed track record. Consider the Bohs situation as an obvious example. Dundalk was run as a Supporters Co-Op up to 2006 and nearly went out of existence losing a reported €1m over the previous 4 years. Shamrock Rovers Members Club is an obvious example of it working.

    Trusts / Members clubs tend to be an obvious alternate to extinction when a crises has arisen and Cork FORAS is an example of this. The Claret and Blue Club in Drogheda may also yet fall into the same category.

    It may well be that the current boards at both Drogheda and Galway have exhausted themselves and see few viable alternatives.
    The Co-op in Dundalk was a thinly disguised local business spat, with the old guard (McGuills) being pushed out by business rivals and the co-op was run as a huge ego and business trip. It made money, but not for the club, as you pointed out. The Shamrock Rovers model is one positive way forward, though this is uncommon in how schemes like this are run, and even it has it's flaws. I sincerely hope Galway get through this period intact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by exiled_gufc_fan View Post
    Progress seems to have stalled?
    The agreement that was reached on December 15th (two GUST members onto the board of GUFC) was finally ratified by the board of GUFC yesterday.

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    Too little too late. The club is f...ed. Incredible damage done to GUFC by the usual suspect since end of season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demoshield View Post
    Too little too late. The club is f...ed. Incredible damage done to GUFC by the usual suspect since end of season.
    In what way has there been further "incredible damage"?

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    Ok - I'm a bit far from goings on but from what I can see ...

    We have no players signed.
    The CEO has 'stepped back' from day to day involvement although I read elsewhere that he sought a pay rise.
    GUST are paying the managers wages and indeed most of the other bills.
    We face a strong likelihood at the moment of fielding an amateur side this season.
    We face an uphill battle to get a licence.

    Leeson out.

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