Europe 2011

**Dodge** · 16/11/2010, 12:43 PM

Might as well get it going.

Rovers will enter the Champions League play offs in the 2nd qualifying round. Their co-efficient will be 2.741

That was good enough to be seeded last year but some teams/countries that were below that last year are now above it (Ekranes (Lit), HJK Helsinki (Fin)) so it's borderline whether they're seeded or not.

Sligo's rank is 1.991. They'll enter either at 2nd Qualifying round or 3rd qualifying round (depending on how results go our way and whether the Europa League winner qualifies for the CL). They won't be seeded for either.

At the moment Bohs will enter at the 2nd QR with a rank of 3.741 That'll be enough to have them seeded.

If Bohs don't get the license Fingal will enter at the 2nd QR with a rank of 2.241. That makes them unlikely to be seeded. If Bohs are OK, Fingal will enter at the 1st QR and will be seeded

If Bohs are out, Pats take the spot and will enter in the first QR with a seeding of 4.241 which will have them seeded. If they then progress to the 2nd round they'll also be seeded in that.

I reckon all us geeks can keep talk of potential oppenents etc to this thread

**pineapple stu** · 16/11/2010, 12:53 PM

Probably highly unlikely to occur, but where would Dundalk fit in?

**Louth4sam** · 16/11/2010, 1:14 PM

IF Bohs and Fingal both go, Pats will be seeded in second. Dundalk will be seeded in first and likely to be seeded in second.

**pineapple stu** · 16/11/2010, 1:16 PM

That's the kind of mad talk we need to tide us over till March.

**DaveyCakes** · 16/11/2010, 1:27 PM

Champions League qualified teams so far:

First Qualifying round:
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Faroe Islands: HB T�rshavn

Second Qualifying round:
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Norway: Rosenborg
Sweden: Malm� FF
Belarus: BATE Borisov
Republic of Ireland: Shamrock Rovers
Finland: HJK Helsinki
Lithuania: Ekranas
Latvia: Skonto Riga
Iceland: Brei�ablik
Kazakhstan: Tobol Kostanay
Estonia: Flora Tallinn
Armenia: Pyunik

Third Qualifying Round:
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None

Group stage:
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Russia: Zenit St. Petersburg

CSKA Moscow and Rubin Kazan have qualified, but the round is not yet decided.

**DaveyCakes** · 16/11/2010, 1:36 PM

Europa League:

First qualifying round:
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Norway: Troms�
Sweden: Elfsborg
Republic of Ireland: Sporting Fingal
Finland: Honka
Lithuania: Žalgiris Vilnius
Latvia: Ventspils
Latvia: Liepājas Metalurgs
Iceland: �BV Vestmannaeyar
Iceland: KR Reykjav�k
Kazakhstan: Aktobe
Kazakhstan: Irtysh Pavlodar
Estonia: Levadia Tallinn
Estonia: Narva Trans
Armenia: Banants
Armenia: Ulisses
Faroe Islands: NS� Runav�k
Faroe Islands: �F Fuglafj�r�ur

Second qualifying round:
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Norway: V�lerenga
Sweden: �rebro
Belarus: Shakhtar Soligorsk
Republic of Ireland: Sligo Rovers
Republic of Ireland: Bohemians (hmmmm....)
Finland: TPS
Finland: KuPS
Lithuania: Sūduva Marijampolė
Iceland:
Kazakhstan: Lokomotiv Astana
Faroe Islands: EB/Streymur

Third qualifying round:
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Norway: Str�msgodset
Sweden: Helsingborg

The first round place for 3rd place in the Belarussian league will be decided this weeked (FK Minsk or Dinamo Minsk), and the third qualifying round and playoff round for 5th and 4th, respectively, in the Russian League will be sorted in the next 2 weeks (2 from Spartak Moscow, Lokomotiv Moscow, Spartak Nalchik, and Dinamo Moscow). After that it all goes quiet till April!

**Dodge** · 16/11/2010, 1:39 PM

Dundalk's ranking is 2.241 (ie same as Fingal's). I doubt the would be seeded in the 2nd Round (if they qualified from the first, and thats if Bohs and Fingal drop out

)

**DaveyCakes** · 16/11/2010, 1:43 PM

I love threads like this. Am I a geek?

**Dodge** · 16/11/2010, 1:44 PM

Yes. or a nerd. I can't tell this early.

**pineapple stu** · 16/11/2010, 2:07 PM

Originally Posted by DaveyCakes

I love threads like this. Am I a geek?

"Interested in the world about you" usually gets you away with it.

**Louth4sam** · 16/11/2010, 2:38 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

Dundalk's ranking is 2.241 (ie same as Fingal's). I doubt the would be seeded in the 2nd Round (if they qualified from the first, and that's if Bohs and Fingal drop out

)

It can't be. Dundalk have a win and a draw from this years Europa league. If these are added to the leagues seeding it should scrape Dundalk into the seeded side of the draw should we qualify over next few seasons.

**Dodge** · 16/11/2010, 2:43 PM

Originally Posted by Louth4sam

It can't be. Dundalk have a win and a draw from this years Europa league. If these are added to the leagues seeding it should scrape Dundalk into the seeded side of the draw should we qualify over next few seasons.

It is the same.

Dundalk's win & draw only counted towards the Ireland general score.

The individual club scores on top of that are based on (for the qualifiers) the round you exited. In this example Fingal and Dundalk bot left at the same stages

You can see the current rankings here

http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/...trank2011.html

Teams in Blue are still in Europe. Teams in Green are from countries with teams in Europe. Their ranking is likely to rise

EDIT; if a club doesn't have an individual score, they'll receive the national score (So anyone but the 6 mentioned here (or Derry) would get the Ireland score of 1.741

**Louth4sam** · 16/11/2010, 2:50 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

It is the same.

Dundalk's win & draw only counted towards the Ireland general score.

The individual club scores on top of that are based on (for the qualifiers) the round you exited. In this example Fingal and Dundalk bot left at the same stages

You can see the current rankings here

http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/...trank2011.html

Teams in Blue are still in Europe. Teams in Green are from countries with teams in Europe. Their ranking is likely to rise

EDIT; if a club doesn't have an individual score, they'll receive the national score (So anyone but the 6 mentioned here (or Derry) would get the Ireland score of 1.741

That's disappointing. I thought that the 1st qualifying round would count towards the club score too. Well I suppose it's still a handy 90k prize money of you get a favourable draw.

**PartySaint** · 16/11/2010, 3:11 PM

Originally Posted by DaveyCakes

Europa League:

First qualifying round:
----------------------
Norway: Troms�
Sweden: Elfsborg
Republic of Ireland: Sporting Fingal
Finland: Honka
Lithuania: Žalgiris Vilnius
Latvia: Ventspils
Latvia: Liepājas Metalurgs
Iceland: �BV Vestmannaeyar
Iceland: KR Reykjav�k
Kazakhstan: Aktobe
Kazakhstan: Irtysh Pavlodar
Estonia: Levadia Tallinn
Estonia: Narva Trans
Armenia: Banants
Armenia: Ulisses
Faroe Islands: NS� Runav�k
Faroe Islands: �F Fuglafj�r�ur

Second qualifying round:
------------------------
Norway: V�lerenga
Sweden: �rebro
Belarus: Shakhtar Soligorsk
Republic of Ireland: Sligo Rovers
Republic of Ireland: Bohemians (hmmmm....)
Finland: TPS
Finland: KuPS
Lithuania: Sūduva Marijampolė
Iceland:
Kazakhstan: Lokomotiv Astana
Faroe Islands: EB/Streymur

Third qualifying round:
----------------------
Norway: Str�msgodset
Sweden: Helsingborg

The first round place for 3rd place in the Belarussian league will be decided this weeked (FK Minsk or Dinamo Minsk), and the third qualifying round and playoff round for 5th and 4th, respectively, in the Russian League will be sorted in the next 2 weeks (2 from Spartak Moscow, Lokomotiv Moscow, Spartak Nalchik, and Dinamo Moscow). After that it all goes quiet till April!

Thats a little to close to TNS for Bohs fans

Just to go off topic for a second, What is the biggest away following for a LOI club in Europe??

My guess would be
Derry away to Gretna
Pats away to Celtic
Rovers away to Juve

But I have no idea what the numbers were like when LOI clubs played IL clubs in Europe during the 60's 70's and 80's

**thischarmingman** · 16/11/2010, 3:24 PM

Originally Posted by PartySaint

Just to go off topic for a second, What is the biggest away following for a LOI club in Europe??

[Getting the obvious out of the way early on]

We took X to Derry.

[/Getting the obvious out of the way early on]

**hedderman** · 16/11/2010, 3:46 PM

Originally Posted by thischarmingman

[Getting the obvious out of the way early on]

We took X to Derry.

[/Getting the obvious out of the way early on]

Ah but sure we took over 2000 from Derry to Fir Park, which would most likely beat any away following at the Brandywell.

**Candystripe** · 16/11/2010, 3:50 PM

Originally Posted by PartySaint

Thats a little to close to TNS for Bohs fans

Just to go off topic for a second, What is the biggest away following for a LOI club in Europe??

My guess would be
Derry away to Gretna
Pats away to Celtic
Rovers away to Juve

But I have no idea what the numbers were like when LOI clubs played IL clubs in Europe during the 60's 70's and 80's

Probably Derry away to Gretna would be the biggest, 3,000 was the guestimate at the time closely followed by Derry once again away to PSG with 2,400 guestimate.

**Candystripe** · 16/11/2010, 4:07 PM

As I was helping sell the tickets for that game,we had 2,300+ sold the day before the game and tickets were available the day of the game.

Enjoy this footage.

[QUOTE=hedderman;1425572]Ah but sure we took over 2000 from Derry to Fir Park, which would most likely beat any away following at the Brandywell.

/QUOTE]

**BonnieShels** · 18/11/2010, 7:48 PM

Europe 2011... sigh...

**gspain** · 19/11/2010, 2:37 PM

Technically one of the Cork Hibs v Pezoporikos games in 1972 was the away tie but both played at Flower Lodge. Hibs were getting big crowds at the Lodge in those days so probably more than 3,000.

In reality Derry at Gretna is definitely the biggest away support. There was nothing like that back in the 50's, 60's, 70's and 80's.

Limerick brought 60 to Madrid in 1980, 10 to Southampton in 81 (half were my mum, Dad me and 2 brothers), 30 on the fans trip to Alkmaar with about another ten independently or staying on from the Holland v Ireland game the previous week. I don't think there were any fans in Berne 60, Sofia 65 or Turin 71.

I do know a Shamrock Rovers fan who was at Old Trafford in 1957 (went over on the boat). He is still a season ticket holder along with his sons and grandchildren.