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    Very positive really. If it ruins Dermot Ahern it will be worth it. Don't forget Mairéad McGuinness will probably run for FG as well.
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    Very interesting from Slugger O'Toole here notwithstanding that Adams' has said that he will resign as an MLA and an MP.

    http://sluggerotoole.com/2010/11/14/...the-same-time/

    Also here's the transcript from the debate in the HoCommons re the change to the act.
    Glancing through it there seems to be an issue with there definition of Citizens of this State as aliens in Britain. as far as I am aware we never have been considered aliens in the UK since 1949. So there were weird statements in the debate as far as I can see.
    Anyway...

    http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/c...ion-11e-of-the

    Can't find anything that forbids a TD from being an MP. Can anyone else?
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    There's nothing in the Constitution that refers to it (or the Free State constitution, either). I had a quick look at some of the Electoral Acts, but there are too many between amendments and SIs to go through properly. The Local Government(No. 2) Act 2003 ended the dual mandate, but it only refers to local authorities and the Oireachtas. Somewhere, though, there must be something somewhere prohibiting TDs holding other offices. It couldn't just be custom and practice....

    Could the Hansard debate have come about as a result of the Good Friday Agreement? Just wondering - I only skimmed through it.

    Watching The Panel as I type... Niall Delamere has just observed that it's coincidental that Louth is called the Wee County - because that's what you're likely to do if you answer a knock on your door and find Gerry Adams standing there...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eminence Grise View Post
    There's nothing in the Constitution that refers to it (or the Free State constitution, either). I had a quick look at some of the Electoral Acts, but there are too many between amendments and SIs to go through properly. The Local Government(No. 2) Act 2003 ended the dual mandate, but it only refers to local authorities and the Oireachtas. Somewhere, though, there must be something somewhere prohibiting TDs holding other offices. It couldn't just be custom and practice....

    Could the Hansard debate have come about as a result of the Good Friday Agreement? Just wondering - I only skimmed through it.

    Watching The Panel as I type... Niall Delamere has just observed that it's coincidental that Louth is called the Wee County - because that's what you're likely to do if you answer a knock on your door and find Gerry Adams standing there...
    Why would you watch that pap? 17 minutes til the best show on tv. Vincent Browne that is.

    I know that there's nothing in the Constitution as I don't think that the spirit of the time where we were trying to woo Unionists would have allowed it.
    I've never heard of it and when the dual mandate was ended this was never a consideration. I'd rather he was both an MP and a TD, whilst I don't agree with next to anything that SF ever have done or do I think that Gerry in Louth rather that D Ahern is more palatable. Plus I love political quirks such as this.

    The Hansard debate was as a result of the GFA. Seems that we never got involved in any reciprocal arrangement which is stunning. Though if you bear in mind as well that if there was nothing barring an MP/MLA/MSP sitting in the Dáil as a TD (if elected) before this debate then I don't see why the arch-Socialist Republican Taoiseach we had at the time would have raised the ire of the nation by seemingly allowing Perfidious Albion a presence in our Chamber.
    So we could well have a situation in place whereby we could well allow sitting MPs to sit in the Dáil if elected.
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    There's no way that would stand up to 21st century employment law.

    Is a British MP allowed to run for the Dail, but just not allowed to take their seat if they win?

    There is no way it would get as far as West Belfast and Louth going without representation. I'd say because he didn't take his seat they will find a way brush this one under the carpet
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    Is he going to turn up for the Dail? Maybe it's an academic argument
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    Quote Originally Posted by backtowalsall View Post
    There's no way that would stand up to 21st century employment law.

    Is a British MP allowed to run for the Dail, but just not allowed to take their seat if they win?

    There is no way it would get as far as West Belfast and Louth going without representation. I'd say because he didn't take his seat they will find a way brush this one under the carpet

    I don't get what you're saying here? Who said he wouldn't take his seat?
    What is being asked here is it possible for an MP to stand for election to the Dáil?
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    I've searched high and low for it, and I can't find it either.

    I was certain it was the case that a person couldn't be an MP and TD at the same time, but I have to say I'm much less certain now. That link to sluggerotoole hints at it being mentioned on the Shinners website but I couldn't find it.

    Here's a thread from politics.ie where the question is asked and kind of answered (amongst other posts).

    http://www.politics.ie/sinn-fein/142...nation-mp.html
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    Read the lot of that and confirms our suspicions. So Gerry needn't resign from Westminster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eminence Grise View Post
    Watching The Panel as I type... Niall Delamere has just observed that it's coincidental that Louth is called the Wee County - because that's what you're likely to do if you answer a knock on your door and find Gerry Adams standing there...
    Hmm, potential hypocrisy alert?
    Sure there's a few other parts of the island which have a somewhat more, er, unfavourable image.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by BonnieShels View Post
    Why would you watch that pap? 17 minutes til the best show on tv. Vincent Browne that is.
    Why would anybody care what I watch? As it happens, it was just background noise since I hadn't bothered turning off the TV after Prime Time, and while I was racking my brain trying to answer your previous post. Which I couldn't, but I'm glad I made an effort all the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy View Post
    Hmm, potential hypocrisy alert?
    Sure there's a few other parts of the island which have a somewhat more, er, unfavourable image.....
    Huh???

    I think he meant that Joe Voter might perform an involuntary, somewhat childish act requiring a change of lower garments when confronted by Gerry on his own doorstep. Nothing to do with the county, other than using its nickname as the smallest county for a pun.

    My own response to Gerry ringing my bell might be more, ah, solid and substantial...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eminence Grise View Post
    Why would anybody care what I watch? As it happens, it was just background noise since I hadn't bothered turning off the TV after Prime Time, and while I was racking my brain trying to answer your previous post. Which I couldn't, but I'm glad I made an effort all the same.
    Ah dude, I was just joking with ya. Sorry for the offence. Tbh I actually assumed what you said just there was what you actually did. It's happened often enough to me too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BonnieShels View Post
    Ah dude, I was just joking with ya. Sorry for the offence.
    Oh, God! No offence was taken at all!* I obviously need to work on my "lighthearted response" side a bit better!!

    (*Not even in the Barstool Facepalm thread where you called Roscommon an "imaginary hole." As a proud, displaced Rossie I can confirm that the latter part is certainly up for discussion, though regarding the former, it does, in fact, exist.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eminence Grise View Post
    I think he meant that Joe Voter might perform an involuntary, somewhat childish act requiring a change of lower garments when confronted by Gerry on his own doorstep. Nothing to do with the county, other than using its nickname as the smallest county for a pun.

    My own response to Gerry ringing my bell might be more, ah, solid and substantial...
    Naw, mate. it's a sh*t pun, all round.

    Our acts of liquid relief are generally directed towards that shower who cheated earlier this year in the Leinster Final.
    And would happily direct solids in a similar direction....

    Delamere should reflect on the high no.of gombeen men elsewhere in Irish politics, before he casts dispersions in this direction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eminence Grise View Post
    Oh, God! No offence was taken at all!* I obviously need to work on my "lighthearted response" side a bit better!!

    (*Not even in the Barstool Facepalm thread where you called Roscommon an "imaginary hole." As a proud, displaced Rossie I can confirm that the latter part is certainly up for discussion, though regarding the former, it does, in fact, exist.)
    Displaced? Love it. I forgot about the Boyle junta.
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