Beheading of American Civilian

[mickrev]

This email doin the rounds.




I did not write this but it is interesting none the less even if I do
not have a name and source.
The gist is that Nick Berg's killing was a political decision by the
U.S ...............



1) extremely convenient "wag the dog" timing at the height of furor
regarding U.S. torture of Iraqis

2) CNN poll question: "Is the Berg killing a reason for withholding any
remaining Iraq prisoner abuse pictures?" Bush has been reported to be
struggling with question of whether Pentagon should release additional
torture photos. Given that the alleged decapitation of Berg was
allegedly
prompted by the first wave of torture photos, Bush could now cite
"national
security" issues for witholding additional materials.

3) Berg's last known whereabouts was in U.S. custody.

4) Berg shown in video wearing orange jumpsuit known to be of U.S.
issue
(compare with pictures at Guantanamo).

5) Berg mysteriously captured by Al-Quaeda (still wearing jumpsuit).
Either
he escaped from U.S. captors or U.S. let him out -- with orange suit
and
all -- to be immediately apprehended by Al-Quaeda (before he had a
chance to
change).

6) Tape obviously spliced together and heavily edited. Goes from a)
Berg
sitting in chair talking about family, to b) Berg sitting on floor with
hooded "militants" behind, to c) blurry camera movement, to d) almost
motionless Berg on floor as head cut off.

7) Audio clearly dubbed in.

8) "Arab" reader flips through pages of "statement" and keeps ending up
on
the same page. Perhaps doesn't even known enough Arabic to recognize
what
page he's on?

9) "Arabs" have lily-white hands and (other exposed) skin.

10) "Arabs" have Western-style body posture and mannerisms.

11) When Berg decapitated, there was almost no blood. If Berg were
still
alive at this point, with the cut starting at front of throat, blood
would
have been spraying everywhere. Berg's severed head, the floor, Berg's
clothes, and even the hand of the "Arab" who decapitated Berg had no
visible
blood on it.

12) Berg's body didn't move while on the ground. Although held down,
Berg
would have tried to instinctively wiggle and writhe away from captor's
grip.

13) Camera angle made it impossible to see if Berg's eyes were even
open.

14) Alleged "scream" from Berg sounded to be that of a woman and was
clearly
dubbed in.

15) Berg goes to great trouble to identify himself, providing
information
about his family. Why? To elicit greater sympathy? Or to provide a
positive ID. FBI visited Berg family in an attempt to "verify his
identity". Guy in video looks very little like Berg photos provided by
family.

I believe that Berg (or this lookalike character) was first killed
(perhaps
by lethal injection, poisoning, etc.), then decapitated after dead
(explains
lack of blood spraying everywhere). Berg was killed by Al-Quaeda (known
to
be a CIA - Mossad joint venture). Berg video released at height of
furor
over U.S. torture of Iraqis and just before Bush was to decide whether
to
release additional torture videos. Now torture videos will be witheld
from
public for reasons of national security. Now "patriots" everywhere will
laud the virtues of U.S. torture of "enemies". Sensitivity level of
public
gets heightened in terms of what's acceptable treatment of prisoners.
Juxtaposed with decapitation, piling naked men into pyramid is nothing.
Such treatment will be considered more and more acceptable even in
domestic
situations. George W. Bush sleeps well tonight while Berg family lives
in
torture. Serves Berg's father right for opposing Bush and the war of
aggression against Iraq.

[Metrostars]

OK, sure.

Just like the one were the US flew it's own planes into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

[NJTom]

It's all part of a giant conspiracy, the CIA, FBI, Hilary Clinton, and the Pope are all involved.

[Plastic Paddy]

Well, you can make light of any supposed conspiracy Tom, but let's not forget the irrefutable fact that the Bush and bin Laden families have been in bed together for three generations; a fact that the Pentagon in partnership with its friends in the media (Disney et al) is only too keen to cover up. Fahrenheit 911, anyone?

Anyway, I digress. God rest Nick Berg.

PP

[brendy_éire]

Interesting argument on the set-up by the US. Wouldn't put it past them. It does sound the dodgy the way he was arrested by Iraqis, handed over to the US, he was given no access to a lawyer, then released him after his family were going to court over it. Something suspious about the whole thing.

[4tothefloor]

I've watched the video again there, and points 6 to 12 seem to be spot on alright. The only thing I would say is that there was some blood on the floor when his head was being severed, but this would be expected. There was no splattering of blood. Berg was motionless and I have to say, definately appeared dead before decapitation. He didn't struggle or move at all. The audio dubbing of the video throws you off when you're watching it. And if i'm not mistaken, the video time also jumps from 2 hrs 44 mins to 13 hrs 45 mins, at the time of contact between the knife and Bergs neck! What were they doing for the 10 hours in between?

Having applied the above information to the video, I'm now convinced there's definately some kind of an American involvement in this. Some shower of ****s if proves true

[Ice13]

Could someone please send me a copy of the video. I think its time to start hunting these dogs down and show no mercy on them just as they don't show mercy on the prople they murder.

[Dodge]

Haven't watched the video again and won't but forwarded the conspiracy theory to a mate of mine who has studied the middle east extensively and he pointed out...

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Hey I'm doing overtime here....Very interesting what is written below. I saw
that on the news last night about Berg being held by Iraqi police and US
forces. Very, very strange !!! Anyway I love a good conspiracy theory but
the person who wrote this stuff makes a good case!! Although I do have a
problem with point 9) "Arabs" have lily-white hands and (other exposed) skin.

Some of the Arabs being tortured by US soldiers in Abu Ghraib prison have a
light complexion and those photos are real. Not all Arabs have a set
pigmentation contrary to popular perception. There are Arabs from old
Bedouin tribes that roamed present day Syria, Jordan and Iraq who were light
skinned and some of whom had blue eyes. Granted it is a bit coincidental that
all the Arabs in the video have a light complexion !! Also point "14) Alleged
"scream" from Berg sounded to be that of a woman and was clearly dubbed in."
Well I'm sorry but if I was getting my head cut off I'd scream like a woman
too !!!

Remember Berg was Jewish. Do you remember Daniel Pearl ?? The Jewish Wall
Sreet Journal journalist ?? He too was decapitated by Islamic Militants in
Pakistan two years ago and no-one suggested his execution was staged !! His
wife is now trying to have him listed as a victim of 9-11 in order to secure
compensation. Like Pearl, Berg carried a Jewish cloth, symbolic of his
faith and it would have been known to Arabs the same way a medal of the
Virgin Mary can distinguish a Roman Catholic. Berg's father believes that
his son's Jewishness "clinched it"....Anyway nothing would surprise me and
teh writer raises some interesting points... Did you see The Sun today ??
They printed pictures of Iraqi detainees smiling and enjoying luxuries that
the British supplied them with. Ironically the camp was being guarded by 2
Para...the same crowd who distinguished themselves in Derry in January 1972.
Anyway the pictures in The Sun are excellent propoganda.....
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In another e-mail, he points out that the lack of blood could be explained by the skill (for want of a better word) of the killer. If you've been trained in that sort of thing, you probably know how not to cover yourself in blood...

[Dodge]

Amid all the talk of faked events and conspiracy theories and the British Army, interesting to note that it looks increasingly likely that the photos of allleged British abuse printed in the Mirror were fake...

I don't think there was any doubt that those Pics were fake. mirror editor scrambling for his career saying that the British MoD haven't "conclusively" proved that they weren't taken in Iraq. Idiot.

I thought the British government and their military handled this very well. When they emerged they condemned all negative actions and sought to find the truth quickly. Even when announcing that they were fake, there was no triumphalism in it. Anyone see the Sun yesterday with iraqi prisoners laughing with their UK captors. Paras no less... Massive propaganda war on here folks

I still think the Washongton Post/CBS photos have done all the damage and the Mirror ones, even if true, wouldn't have added to the outrage worldwide. I britain certainly but not worldwide...

[dahamsta]

The only evidence supposedly proving that the pictures are fake is that a truck depicted in the photos wasn't in Iraq. The Army has made this assertion, and the Army hasn't produced the truck. That's pretty shaky evidence imho.

I'm not saying the pictures aren't fake, I'm just saying they're going to have to do better than that for me to believe them. And the accusations of abuse by the Red Cross and Amnesty remain. They're playing a shell game.

adam

[Dodge]

There was also the issue of the guns not being the standard issue for soldiers serving in Iraq.

[max power]

just seen the video and its grusome stuff indeed, but that is the society we live in and a lot worse has been done in the past but the technology wasn't there to show it to us, ww1, ww2, vietnam, cambodia etc

[Jim Smith]

While obviously not proof, the reason I suspect that the photos are fakes is that there is no way that the Brits would have let these photos get into the public domain.

While I have absolutely no doubt that the abuse that the Iraqis are being subjected to is planned and carefully thought out,I wonder what actually goes on in military prisons under 'normal' circumstances...

[brendy_éire]

There was also the issue of the guns not being the standard issue for soldiers serving in Iraq.

The ones in the photos are Mark1, the British MOD is claiming that soliders had a Mark 2 variation. However, British soldiers are claiming that there wasn't enough Mark 2s to go around, so they had to use Mark 1. Pretty believeable considering the lack of boots, body armour, etc.
Not sure whether to trust the photos, but I'm certain that that type of thing is going on anyway.

[Peadar]

I'm not saying the pictures aren't fake, I'm just saying they're going to have to do better than that for me to believe them.
adam

The story I heard, which is very plauseable, was that the paper in question were offered the story but suggested it would be worth a lot more if there were some pictures. All of a sudden the greedy bastads selling the story came back with pictures depicting clearly what they'd implied had happened. Unlike the US pictures though, no distinguishing details of the troops were pictured.

With regard to the US abuse, why the hell were they letting themselves be photographed?

[brendy_éire]

With regard to the US abuse, why the hell were they letting themselves be photographed?

It's a competition to see who can get the 'best' torture photo. Apparently.

[lopez]

Anyone see the Sun yesterday with iraqi prisoners laughing with their UK captors. Paras no less... Massive propaganda war on here folks

The Scum must either think their readers are completely stupid or that their readers ARE completely stupid, to print those pictures. Smiling prisoners! I don't care if I was in the penthouse suite of the Las Vegas Hilton with Ginger Lynne and Traci Lords, I wouldn't be smiling willingly if I was being held against my will. Didn't they have similar photos of 'happy' Jews in the 'model camp' of Buchenwald?

Getting back to the photos, the Mirror should have seen straight off the photos were suspect. Too clean, no faces, no shakiness of the image to support the allegation that the boot was flying in fast.