QuoteThe latest barbaric action in a barbaric war. God rest Nick Berg and all the innocents of whatever background or calling, and be with their families and loved ones.
RIP
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First and foremost, this was an absolute disgrace. I think things are about the get a lot worse from here on in. These people have no respect for life at all, then again their behaviour is being fuelled by dumbass Americans and their treatment of Iraqi POW. I've been checking out a few Islamic forums and most seem to sickened by this as well.
For any of those who want to see the video in full, I can post up a link if anyone wants it - I think people should see this for what it is worth. It shows that both sides are as bad as each other. It makes you think what are they going to resort to next? The poor guy didn't know he was going to be killed at all, he just thought he was being filmed as a POW and as a message to the American authorities. Must be horrific on his family.
The latest barbaric action in a barbaric war. God rest Nick Berg and all the innocents of whatever background or calling, and be with their families and loved ones.
RIP
Semper in faecibus sole profundum variat
Well thats why I said i'd only put up the link if people asked. Some people wouldn't dare watch it, while others have said they watched it out of respect for Nick Berg, that he didn't die for nothing etc. My worrie is that we're going to see a lot more of this type of thing. On another forum one guy said 'what happens if these extremists all over the world start picking on ordinary civilians and decapitating them, in response to the maltreatment of Iraqi POW'? Frightening thought, and I wouldn't put it past them. You'll have Islamic extremists the world over celebrating over this video, and there's nothing stopping them going out and replicating it. Crazy.Originally Posted by Conor74
Last edited by 4tothefloor; 12/05/2004 at 6:17 PM. Reason: spelling
Horrific yes, but no different to a guy strapping bombs to himself and setting it off, in say, a nightclub. People are simple shocked because as violence goes a beheading is rare and extreme. Bombs explode every day in iraq, scores of people killed and nobody looks twice. Just an endless cycle of violence. America has simply created more extremists by going to war in Iraq.
The whole thing is just really really sad
RIP to all of them-whoever you are, wherever you come from.
I heard a song- it's about sept. 11 but really about innocent people dying anywhere.
The chorus goes,
"And we don't know why,
The innocent die,
Will this world never find a way to change?
And we don't why,
But we know it's not right,
DOn't know why so many had to die"
Sum's it up really
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Just watched the video. Shocking enough, I suppose, though nowhere near as bad as I thought it would be. Have seen worse stuff on documentaries.
Hmm, guess that's part of the inevitable price that the Americans pay for their adventure in Iraq. Makes ye wonder where all this will end.
to settle an argument...
were the prisioners forced to have sex with each other?
The video is on the Memory Hole, which you can find with Google. Please don't post the URL here, people tend to click first and whine later that they weren't warned. I've seen several flame wars about this topic today, decided I don't want to see it meself. Can't see it'll achieve anything.
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Thats the link I have as well Adam. As you say, some people can be offended by stuff like this. They'll watch it, and then complain later. Thats why I didn't put the link up, pm'd it to a few that asked instead. Personally, i don't see what the problem is. This is something that is real, it has happened, and it could very well happen again. There's no point in hiding from it or running away from it.
Where did you hear this? Heard they were forced to lie on top of each other naked, and forced to take part in human pyramids. Rumours of making the prisoners masterbate as well. Come to think of, it's hardly surprising that this has happened, is it? The things that the prisoners were allegedly forced to do are all very sacrilege to Islamic peoples beliefs.
They were forced to simulate sex acts. Which in any case is not much fun.
And chopping off civilian's heads in the name of Allah is?
In an interpretation of the Koran, it probably is. The same can be said for the Bible mind. Religious zealots can use the Bible to justify the worst evils in the world (such as murder, capitalism, ethnic cleanising, persecution of homosexuals, the right to impose your religion on someone else). Jews use the Torah as justification for their occupation of Palestine and their murdering of thousands of innocent Palestinians ("an eye for an eye").
There will always be people who take their religious beliefs to extremes. The people who beheaded your man are no different from the likes of Bush and Sharon. They're all right wing fundementalists blinding following what they believe their god wants them to do.
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Listen, the reason they 'chopped' his head off is because of what went before i.e. the Americans mistreating and abusing Iraqi prisoners. It was an act of revenge. This would not have happened were it not for the worldwide pictures of American troops abusing Iraqi prisoners. The extremists attitude now is probably lets give it back twice as bad as they dished it out. I have absolutely no sympathy, zero, zilch, for American troops or American people who back what is going on in Iraq. I feel sorry for Nick Berg (RIP) and his family for the way he died and the fact that he was an innocent civilian - but what the hell was he doing there in the first place? He had no business there, he should never have went there. The American troops should never have went their either in the first place.
If they wanted to invade and bring down Sadaam, they should have had a contingency plan in place first for the setting up of an Iraqi governing body to take the place of Sadaam's regime immediately after his fall, an obvious eventuality. They should then have left Iraq within a few weeks. At least then the Iraqi people would be dealing with an Iraqi administration, and nothing else. At the moment they see the Americans as taking over their country for their own gain (i.e. oil, big construction contracts etc), and with the behaviour of the American troops towards POW, you can't blame them for being ****ed off. We're only hearing about this stuff now, but it's probably common knowledge to the people of Iraq all along. Sadaam has been captured long ago, there were no, as the Americans annoyingly call them, Weapons of Mass Destruction, or Biological warfare. So why are the Americans/British still in Iraq?
Last edited by 4tothefloor; 12/05/2004 at 11:51 PM.
His innocence is questionable. He was in Iraq to make money. He owned a company that put up telecommunications towers, or something similar. He supported Bush's foreign policy. Why? Because he benefited financially from it. He supported the war. He took a very active role in the plundering of Iraq. He paid the price. I have no sympathy.
Agree Brendy. I have sympathy for the way he died, I suppose thats having seen the video, and then his family back in Philly. But really, what did he expect? As I said, the Americans are only in Iraq now for their own financial gain. I have no sympathy in that regard. And god forbid, but if every American soldier was killed tomorrow, i'd still have no sympathy. Bottom line is, they should not be there. Americans really are, to coin one of their own words, dumbasses for supporting Bush. If they re-elect this guy, they are going to be hated the world over. Mayday in Dublin will look like handbags compared to the reaction Bush will get over here i'd say. Can't wait!
In the past he went to Third World countries to help and teach people about radio equipment. True, any westerner willingly going to anywhere in the Middle East right now must have a skrew loose but it certainly doesnt mean it had it coming.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/....ap/index.html
Americans should make their own politicians culpable for suggestion people travel into such a situation.
Saw the video. Unbelievable stuff. It'll probably be on some documentary about the Iraqi troubles in 10/15 years.
Did anyone see where his family made accusations about the American troops in Iraq? Saw a bit of CBS news last night but my mind wasn't concentrating. I think he was "detained" by US troops for a couple of days in just before his kidnapping
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Thought I'd look it up myself....
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According to his family, Berg, a small telecommunications business owner, spoke to his parents on March 24 and told them he would return home on March 30. But he was detained by Iraqi police at a checkpoint in Mosul on March 24.
The family says Berg was turned over to U.S. officials and detained for 13 days.
On April 5, the Bergs filed suit in federal court in Philadelphia, contending that their son was being held illegally by the U.S. military.
The next day Berg was released, the family said. He told his parents he hadn't been mistreated. His family last heard from him April 9 but it was unclear when and where he was abducted.
[b]FULL STORY{/b]
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in616842.shtml
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Apparently, US officials offered Berg a flight out in early April but he refused. They told him it was unsafe for westerners to be traveling around Iraq unprotected.
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