QuotePerhaps Celtic should have gone with the White Poppy as suggested in the other thread.
I agree with you. War is pointless. But so is creating a fuss over a flower symbolising dead people. Just threw in the silliness coz its all silly in my opinion that they are arguing over it.
Perhaps Celtic should have gone with the White Poppy as suggested in the other thread.
The reason people get upset is because the poppy is not intended as a political symbol. Yes, there are people who hijack it on both sides for their own reasons, but for most people it's an opportunity to show their appreciation for the sacrifice of others for a cause they have little control of. I can appreciate people finding it distasteful but a bit of perspective from all sides would go a long way.Originally Posted by bennocelt
The Green Brigade protest is about the Celtic team having the poppy stitched onto the shirt for a game, not about the wearing of the poppy in general.
That protest banner was designed to provoke as distinct from just making a protest.
I doubt that the Celtic board did not expect this provocative GB protest. I'd also say the Board are quite content to to have a confrontation with the GB and ban them from the Park. The GB do go over the edge (unnecessarily so), but that apart I think they are force of nature.
Aye, pretty much what yer man & Bc said.
As said up thread, look at the main-related thread in 'Current Affairs', where the majority seem to be against the current definition of what it represents.
I'm no supporter of any wars or the British establishment but
The poppy is about the soldiers and civilians who died during war time its not about supporting the establishment that sent the soldiers Yes there are a lot of these people who were cruel/evil people but most go cause they believe their doing the right thing or can't fin any other work. Typical of the thinking of the Irish Nationalist(or so to people who think they are Nationalist) Like blowing up a load of war veteran pensioners in Enniskillen in 1987 yeah that will help the cause
BTW Glasgow Celtic are a Scottish football team , yes they were founded by Irish men how many would consider. UD Salamanca to be Irish?
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Point is its not about that, your wrong. It has been turned into supporting the troops and their current wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the "heroes" fighting for "our" freedoms
But those wars are massively unpopular. The poppy is overwhelmingly popular, or at least casually supported.
How so?
Public opinion's been against Iraq almost the entire time and the majority of people in the UK think the war effort is having no effect or a negative effect in both. I can try and dig out some poll data for you but I would have thought it was just common knowledge.
People have varying opinion on the what the Poppy represents, that's how it should be, a personal tribute/memory.
But there are no dividing lines between past wars and present wars, even if the soldiers involved in present wars are primarily participating in wars of occupation involving mass civilian slaughter and for what? evident corporate gain?
Wearing the Poppy use to be a personal choice, possibly similar like the wearing of the Easter Lily or even the shamrock.
Currently there is a media campaign directed at football clubs as part of the pressure to have universal acceptance of the wearing of the Poppy. It is only natural that some Celtic fans will be hostile to the imposition of the poppy onto their club shirt. Is it not Poppy fascism, NOT to tolerate that some people will object to the wearing of the Poppy? The small number of people who object, have an argument. But the Celtic Board are saying we don't tolerate any peaceful protest against this decision and seek to ban those elements from our ground.
Why not say, - We have made a decision on the poppy, but we are a big club and some members have strong political objections, we accept that and move on?
The club have obviously decided it's more important to be seen to support the poppy idea than to stand up for the ultras - or, more pointedly, to stand for radical republicanism.
More to do with the fact that, the tw*t, John Reid, is chairman at Celtic.
Pseudo-political gesturing by his 'regime', whilst being out of touch with many fans, though accept it may not be the majority.
Opinion polls don't mean anything, the people voted for the war criminal Tony Blair to have another term in office - that's the facts and the Iraq war wasnt even a big thing at all come election time. Thats how the Al Q boys and their like see it.
Many marched, many more voted for more of the same.
The Spanish people voted to kick their war mongers out of office, the British didnt.
moved to poppy thread
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The fact they didn't vote him out doesn't mean they don't oppose the war.
But it gives him legitimacy, just like all the muppets who keep voting for FF in Ireland despite all the criticism.
Marching is a waste of time, like all people who march against hospital closures. Whatever little power we do have it is in the ballot box
Ironically, 'it's all about the economy, stupid' in most countries, which is why Spain are likely to vote out their Socialists at the next election and why the US originally elected Obama.
Foreign policy, especially when it's so retarded, is a factor but normally the economy takes precedence.
It depends how important you think the issue is. People voted for Labour in the UK and FF in Ireland because the economy was doing well and voters tend not to want to upset the apple cart when the going is good. There will always be single-issue voters but even the US didn't vote out Bush despite the very palpable anger about the way the war had been conducted. There was also the perverse logic at play that "he got us into this mess so he should get us out" - I was in the US for the 2004 elections and it was a very common opinion.
Yeah I know all that but it does give Al Q, etc an excuse. I mean obviously the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are not important to people, not enough to change their vote, but its one reason why a government can claim legitimacy and basically do what it wants
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