QuoteOriginally Posted by Conor74
foureyes and Echo Boy .... can we get an answer, i just want to hear what you have to say is all !!
When have Carisle ever got 8k average attendances. Maybe 8l top for the season but never average.
Poiuntless debate anyway.
In recent years ythe best young eL (u-21) players have competed as well if not better than their equivalent irish abroad which about one of the few direct comparison that can be made.
foureyes and Echo Boy .... can we get an answer, i just want to hear what you have to say is all !!
The SFAI are the governing body for grassroots football in Ireland, not the FAI. Its success or the lack of is all down to them.
I knew I'd get someone mentioning himOne example in the last how long!!! The exception rather than the rule but if that's enough for you to think the EL is on a par with the 1st division etc then who am I to point out the facts to you!
Like I said before, it's not a slur on the EL, it's just the simple truth and as many others have said, this is just my opinion and that everybody can have one.
It's just that deep down you know that my opinion is backed up with statistics and is ultimately right!!
To be honest, I don't see anyone on here claiming we're a match for Monaco, or the Eng. Premier League teams. But we're certainly not conference standard.
My point was about naming an Irish EL player that has done well at a high level in England other than the obvious Roy. I can't think of any and I never mentioned anything about Irish players doing "poorly". Plenty have done well and well for themselves financially.....in the lower divisions. My "stats" are the blaringly obvious facts that we can't think of one. And I agree with you on your last point...to many EL teams have gone down the road of bring
ing over average/past it players from across the channel. I wouldn't have said they dragged the level down though, just proved to be a waste of money and over-rated. The standard was already average.
Its too easy to name out a few exceptions that actually did make it.
How many City players went over and came back
Billy, George, JOF, Stephen O'Flynn, etc etc
The list is endless.
Thats even easier.
Big Fish Small pond here in Cork Versus Small fish big pond over there.
I mean if Peterborough and Port Vale had really wanted them then they would have kept them, of that you can be sure.
Of those players only Billy Woods was City player pre English football so rest don't count for this debate.
Of hand list of player who left city for the bright lights of English football
Brian Carey - Man U for a while, solid nationwide pro.
Brian Barry Murphy - 2nd division 1st teamer
Joe Gamble - Conference 1st teamer.
Damian Delaney - Hulls (3rd division) player of the year in promotion season
Billy Woods - Didn't make it
Nugent?
Fergus O'Donoghue - Didn't make it.
Kevin Nugent was an English player who came over here to play.
Found some Irishness and played U21 for us a few times.
He has done quite well in the lower leagues over the years.
With regard to Fry, great footballing man with a keen eye for a good footballer but it boiled down to dispensible or indispensible.
If he really wanted to keep him he'd have kept him.
He throws in a few nice words upon the boys departure to keep his chin up after failing to be kept on. He's done it a thousand times.
Not that i'm complaining of course, all to our benefit.
And of course pete is right as they didn't come from City they can't really be counted here.
Exactly, pretty lame excuse...oh we wanted to keep you but money's tight. Then get rid of some of the dead wood.Simple answer really.
Listen Conor if you want to mention a couple of exceptions from 10-15 years ago then fine, you were the one wondering why the EL was being compared to the lower divisions in England just because basically City had managed a draw with Munich. Every dog has it's day i.e Sunderland v Leeds, Inverness v Celtic. You don't mean to tell me that you'd expect City to get a result against them all the time! One result isn't grounds for your argument. The EL has some good players but they look good because they're in an average league which in my opinion is on a par with English Division 2 (lower half) and 3. Put them in a higher level than that and they will historically fail to make the grade unless they're an exceptional talent.
Again, no offence against the EL, just my opinion.
I go even further and say that the conference is a more realistic comparsion to the El.
Why do you even bother to come on here? All you do is wind people up.I go even further and say that the conference is a more realistic comparsion to the El.
For the Laugh!!!!
Isn't that what these forums are all about ?
Facts (in my opinion) continue to get in the way of any decent discussion.
Conor let me keep this simple because you're not grasping what I'm saying. The reason I compared the EL to the lower reaches if the English leagues is because other than the very odd exception, I can't think of any player that has went from the EL to a top league and done well espeically in the last 10 years. A fair amount have gone to the lower leagues and done well which I would say proves my argument that the EL is on a par with the lower leagues because plenty of players have gone to and between the leagues but very few have gone higher.
As Razor and myself have pointed out previously, if the club thought the player was good enough,they would find the money and get rid of some other ****e.They say the old ones are the best drinkfeckarse - they're not really...
Anyway 'let me keep this simple because you're not grasping what I am saying', why is it a given that a good player must play in England?
I was only comparing the EL to the lower English divisions. If you read my post carefully you would have noticed that I said "a top league"
so perhaps the failure (apart from Roy Keane, Paul McGrath, Ronnie Whelan) of players to go in recent times has got more to do with the inability of clubs to pay them, amongst othere reasons.
PS. Michael Brown was on £6k at Sheffield Utd before he left for Spurs. Neil Warnock blabbed that to the press during his contract negotiations and also blurted out the fact that they were prepared to break the bank for him and had offered to double his wages to £12k p/w. Funny looking wage cap?
Its offical Brian Barry Murphy is on of 13 players released today by Sheffield Wednesday.
"Its the bad players who are the luxury not the skillfull ones"
Danny Blanchflower
You're on about a different thing altogether. Here we have a club who have got themselves in HUGE financial difficulty receiveing OFFERS for their players (with the exception of Mills who had a massive falling out with Reid). I see your point but these were not players at the end of their contracts that the club let go, they were SOLD for millions. Any club worth their salt would, if they had a player that they valued or wanted, would either tie him up on a contract or sell him before the end of it. Not just casually let him go at the end of it with the old excuse "we'd love to...but".
With regards your question, I didn't realise it was to me, I thought it was an open question. I suppose if I have a think about it I'll get it although I can't think of anyone at the moment. I'm at work anyway and a bit pushed for time at the mo.
Give yourself a round of applause if you know it though. I'm sure the trivia kings will be quaking
I am living over in London, and believe me, having been to conference games, City are streets ahead. The whole stature of City is better, the shop, merchandise, shirt sales, paper coverage, quality of player, quality of grounds/pitches. The eL as a whole is bigger than Conference/Div2/div2.
Thre are no, i repeat, no under-21/full internationals playing in conference/div3. No way is there nearly 3 in one squad!
Players in the conference barely get £500 a week, whereas Georgie, JOF, and Fenn are easily on the equivalent of 1,200 a week, if not more. Shirt sponsorship is worth more in the eL, which says a lot, as the companies clearly think that they are dealing with better clubs.
More importantly, why is this debate here. We are meant to be supporteres of Cork City and the eL. What differencr does it make to real fans what the standard is? I hope that Echo Boy gets banned ASAP,and i think that you 'drinkfeckarse' are a complete @rsehole.
'let me keep this simple because you're not grasping what I am saying'-you are an @rsehole
Excellent point. There probably aint that many in Div 2 either.
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