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Since we're discussing the Tea Party, I thought it pertinent to transfer this over from the Web Video Thread...
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Bit hard on the 'Moran' clan there. Reckon big Kevin would have something to say there...Although this photo was apparently taken in 2003 at an anti-war counter protest, it sums up the American right and teabaggers nicely.
CNN.com expects the Republicans to win 243 seats in the House, compared to the Democrats 192, a red gain of over 60 seats. Crucially, though, the Democrats will still hold 51 out of the 100 Senate seats, allowing them to block legislation if needed.
There were some horrible people elected there, disappointingly some with Irish surnames!
The only 'good' thing is that even the US is unlikely to over-extend itself by starting more pointless foreign wars?
Get on the Thomas More Law Centre web site and you'll get all the evidence you need. It's a bunch of lawyers giving of their services for free to help cities and towns and schools defend themselves against the monied liberal groups who have already stopped kids singing traditional Christmas songs in school, won't let them wear red or green at that time of year or say prayers before football matches (in asking God to protect them, like they have done for decades).
They are the same liberals who are trying to rid the state of California from all reference to religion (up to and including the changing of names like 'San' Francisco, 'San' Diego, 'Santa' Barbara.
Starting pointless foreign wars? If it's Iraq you're referring to the people in the US are divided over the wisdom of that war. You can say what you want about Bush, but he did keep one promise and that was to take the fight to the terrorists on their own soil in order to take it away from America. You got to ask youself if a group of immigrants decided to do a 911 act in Ireland, how receptive would the Irish people be to them? Would they last 5 seconds in the streets of Dublin before being attacked? So 'starting foreign wars' is a bit harsh.
And one more thing, you may want to give a little more credit to America for intervening on our behalf in the Second World War. If they didn't we wouldn't be talking to one another today, would we?
Sorry Mark, but the Thomas More Law Center is nothing other than a defender of people who want to ram Christianity down everyone's throat, whether they like it or not.
Oh, and the United States intervened on 'our behalf' after the Japanese convinced them it was the right thing to do. They rushed right in, didn't they...
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Did you ever notice that in every painting of Adam & Eve, they have belly buttons. Think about that...take as long as you want.
I just did that. I clicked on "Religious freedom" under "Key issues". The first article was about challenge to the Health Care Reform Act. That these people file that under "Religious freedom" says a lot.
Then, in the archives, I then searched for the word "school" in the article headlines which emerged. The first instance was about a school which banned the wearing of the US flag. Again, that these people file that under "Religious freedom" says a lot.
You seem to have no notion of the difference between a secular state and religious persecution.It's a bunch of lawyers giving of their services for free to help cities and towns and schools defend themselves against the monied liberal groups who have already stopped kids singing traditional Christmas songs in school, won't let them wear red or green at that time of year or say prayers before football matches (in asking God to protect them, like they have done for decades).
They are the same liberals who are trying to rid the state of California from all reference to religion (up to and including the changing of names like 'San' Francisco, 'San' Diego, 'Santa' Barbara.
Some Egyptians and Saudi Arabians attack America, and that justifies invading Iraq? Using US bases in Saudi Arabia? This would be secular Iraq which was no supporter of terrorism? And America which trained the Taliban back when it suited them? HA!
What the hell are you talking about? If some immigrants crashed a couple of planes into Dublin, killing thousands, would we pull their ashes out of the fiery wreckage to give them a good kicking before invading Andorra to seize key skiing slopes?You got to ask youself if a group of immigrants decided to do a 911 act in Ireland, how receptive would the Irish people be to them? Would they last 5 seconds in the streets of Dublin before being attacked? So 'starting foreign wars' is a bit harsh.
This would be the neutral America who joined that war when Germany declared war on them in 1942? And what on earth does that have to do with anything? Should ArdeeBhoy give his unquestioning support to American foreign policy on the grounds that their contribution was important in a war 70 years ago? By that token, should he also give his unquestioning support to Russia?And one more thing, you may want to give a little more credit to America for intervening on our behalf in the Second World War. If they didn't we wouldn't be talking to one another today, would we?
I really only have one question for you: are you a troll, or do you really believe this stuff?
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You can't spell failure without FAI
Mark, read up on Mohammed Mosaddeq. Much of the current chaos and religious extremism in the Middle East is due in no small part to the interference of the US, and it's almost certainly their fault that we don't have a moderate, secular, peaceful Iran today. It's a massive pity that the people who pushed for this became rich from oil revenues and protectionism, while the people who suffer are the ordinary citizens of the Middle East, and the victims of the terrorism their actions spawned.
Some small facts on the "small bunch of selfless lawyers" in Thomas More:
In August 2001, the Center filed a lawsuit against the San Diego chapter of Planned Parenthood, in which it sued Planned Parenthood to force it to inform women of a possible link between abortions and breast cancer. Although PP and medical experts denied any such link, a Thomas More Law Center lawyer claimed that a "preponderance of medical evidence" did establish a link.[5 In March 2003, the Law Center intervened in the controversy over the "Ten Commandments monument" erected in the Alabama Supreme Court building by Judge Roy Moore. It filed a brief in support of Moore, claiming that the "First Amendment does not require the existence of an impenetrable wall between church and state."[16]
In a May 2000 visit to Charleston, West Virginia, Robert Muise, one of the lawyers, tried to persuade the school board to buy and use Of Pandas and People as a textbook for its science classes.[32] Muise warned the board in Charleston that it would undoubtedly be sued if the district taught intelligent design, but that the Thomas More Law Center would provide legal defense at no cost.
In any case, can the US really claim to be any safer from their two wars, have come any closer to stabilising the Middle East or neutralise al-Qaeda?
Wow what a post
As mentioned, what the hell has Iraq got to do with 911?
America didnt intervene on OUR behalf, we are not poland or belgium? We werent attacked
Hmm. Like Iraq was anything to do with 9/11. And what's the reason for Afghanistan, beyond Rove & co's paranoia??
'Hawks', me a*se.
And whoever the history teacher was, please Sue them!
And don't go to Thomas More and co. Their legal advice is free for a reason.
Ou-est le Centre George Pompidou?
Sorry, I can't share you're opinion about the TMLC. I would be interested to know what your feelings are on the liberals changing the names in California (away from anything depicting religion)? You are ok with that? TMLC has fought to stop that and things like that over the last several years.
Regarding the Americans in WWII, they did get into the war after Japan bombed Pearl Harbor in 1941, did they not? We can split hairs on the words 'our behalf' but the fact is that America did get into the war on our behalf because they stood up for what was right and by default they stood up for us and other countries like us who were unable to stand up for ourselves. Gave their lives for us in fact.
But then again we Irish (and this is not directed at you in particular) are experts on every war we never fought in, just sitting there on the fence pontificating all day long on everything and anything which is a million miles away - such 'activism' would have really helped those innocent people in Bosnia, wouldn't it?
Ireland were officially neutral for the duration of WW2. The USA clearly did not enter the war on our behalf. And the idea that the USA entered the war as some altruistic measuse on behalf of those who couldn't stand up for themselves is so naive as to be laughable. They entered the war to protect themselves and their interests, just like we remained neutral to protect ourselves.
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I'll be as charitbale as I can to you in my reply, because I realize there are two very different interpretations here.
I lived in America for several years and had the benefit of seeing the Democratic (Party) driven media report (or often not report) biasedly on TV to the masses. And when it comes to news involving America - Ireland, England and
most of Europe just picks up the biased news (because its from the same news corporations) and forms their opinions from it hook, line and sinker.
There is another media angle in the land of the dollar and free speech, and that is Talk Radio. They give far more balanced reporting to the news (and the facts) and are able to back them up.
If you are going to blame America for the Iraq war then you have to confess that you forgot to also apportion a decent share of the blame to Britain, France, Germany and Russia, all of whom pooled their intelligence information with the White House beforehand. And what of Spain - they had an occupying force in Iraq did they not? The Iraq war was very much an international effort.
I'm sure we both agree that the loss of innocent lives in Iraq was horrible, as it is in any war, but with the American
president required to respond (and that 'requirement' vow is one he takes upon being sworn in) and with him being told after 911 that Iraq had all the ingredients to make WMD's, many of which were found in the country, then the decision to go into Iraq was a well informed one.
I'll be the first to say that the US forces stayed too long in the country, but there are those who'll argue that the US mission evolved into one of helping the country to democracy (they've had how many elections now?). There is also an argument that the US was afraid to get out too quick like happened in Kuwait.
You've got to ask yourself - what would Ireland do if we had the wherewithal to respond to an attack on our country?
If we had even half the military power of either the USA or Iraq our response would have involved loss of life to some innoncents in some country, would it not?
My feeling is that if NATO did what it was supposed to (and how Kofe Annan can sleep in his bed at night when those
poor people in Darfur were the victims of genocide is beyond me - his response was 'we can't interfere in another
soverign nation') then there would be no need for America or Russia or any super power to take up the fight.
I'm sure you'll have your own thoughts on what I have posted above, but I can tell you this for a fact. I talked over
a number of years with ex-pats from Ireland, England and Scotland, who were living in the US. For what it's worth they were, and still are I would suggest, completely disgusted by the sort of anti-American feelings (from those back home) that are in evidence on this thread.
There's none as blind as those who will not see.
If a doctor saved your life would you punch him in the face and say 'how dare you claim that you saved my life - it's your job isn't it?' Strange logic, very strange? Shake off the anti-American feelings and you might see the world a little clearer!
And you're laughing and writing and having dinner with your parents and grandparents who all would have perished were it not for the American intervention in WWII.
When we have seen testimony from senior FBI and CIA officials that they were pressured by Bush administration officials into coming up with a link between Iraq and 9-11 and other pretexts for invasion, I think we can knock that one on the head.
Unless of course you count this:
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