Well done Shams

**stovelid** · 30/10/2010, 3:03 PM

Originally Posted by BohsPartisan

Don't worry, you're on your way.

It's going to be fun watching your aberration of a club die a slow death.

**Ezeikial** · 30/10/2010, 5:32 PM

Originally Posted by Jicked

Another fact is that we're the first part-time team to win a league in years,.

This is certainly the club propaganda anyway.

You can define part-time whatever way you like, but the reality is that Rovers were second only to Bohs in budget terms this season (it's really a red herring whether guys are paid over 40 / 42 / 52 weeks)

You claim the part-time tag as though it is some badge of honour!

**poster** · 30/10/2010, 5:48 PM

Originally Posted by Jicked

So yes, we are a part-time club and to win the league as such is a great achievement.

I wouldn't call having two players who work as well as train a 'part-time' club. I'm sure the majority of your first team players are full time, and have no other income/job. I'd call us full-time, we have one part-time player who works 9-5 and trains twice a week, but I'd still consider Sligo Rovers are 'full-time' team. As I would with Shams.

**GUFCghost** · 30/10/2010, 6:11 PM

Originally Posted by Jicked

Another fact is that we're the first part-time team to win a league in years, have won with a smaller budget than the last 5 or 6 champions, and haven't bankrupted the club to do it.

http://www.tribune.ie/business/artic...ise-to-620570/

**BohsPartisan** · 30/10/2010, 6:45 PM

Originally Posted by Jicked

how exactly?

By overspending the same as the rest of us did. But don't let me stop yis, carry on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bE_1tCasi_Q

**mypost** · 30/10/2010, 6:51 PM

Originally Posted by Lamper.sffc

Congrats to Rovers. (still cant beat us

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Shamrock Rovers 67
Sporting Fingal... 59

We beat everybody, that's why we're champions.

**Dillonman** · 30/10/2010, 7:43 PM

All I have to say in this thread is "bah humbug"!

Model Club · 30/10/2010, 9:09 PM

Originally Posted by BohsPartisan

By overspending the same as the rest of us did. But don't let me stop yis, carry on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bE_1tCasi_Q

What do you know that we don't?
How can a tit like you,a member of a club who would rather see their club go bankrupt chasing the elusive 4 in a row lecture us on overspending?
A club without a physio,assistant manager.A club whos membership is less than 2/3'rds of ours and 40% cheaper to buy into.A club with an average att. one third of ours.A club with no momentum who no-one bar the same deluded fools gives a s#ite about.

If it take lies generated on the loi section of your forum to comfort the blow of Rovers return to the pinnacle of Irish football...........knock yourself out.

If you have any proof that we are doing anything outside the letter of the laws of football in this country the let us know-either that or stay out of threads like these with your unsubstantiated poison.

**GUFCghost** · 30/10/2010, 9:39 PM

Originally Posted by Model Club

What do you know that we don't?
How can a tit like you,a member of a club who would rather see their club go bankrupt chasing the elusive 4 in a row lecture us on overspending?
A club without a physio,assistant manager.A club whos membership is less than 2/3'rds of ours and 40% cheaper to buy into.A club with an average att. one third of ours.A club with no momentum who no-one bar the same deluded fools gives a s#ite about.

If it take lies generated on the loi section of your forum to comfort the blow of Rovers return to the pinnacle of Irish football...........knock yourself out.

If you have any proof that we are doing anything outside the letter of the laws of football in this country the let us know-either that or stay out of threads like these with your unsubstantiated poison.

http://blogs.technet.com/cfs-filesys...9-79/wrong.jpg

**PartySaint** · 30/10/2010, 10:21 PM

Originally Posted by legendz

Congrats Rovers as I've said. It's harsh to be calling them the worst champions of the last decade but here are the facts:

Table based on champions and their points average over the last 8 years / switch to a summer season:

2.6 2008 Bohemians 33 27 4 2 55 13 +42 85
2.2 2005 Cork City 33 22 8 3 53 18 +35 74
2.1 2006 Shelbourne 30 18 8 4 60 27 +33 62
2.1 2007 Drogheda U 33 19 11 3 48 24 +24 68
2.1 2009 Bohemians 36 24 5 7 62 21 +41 77
1.9 2003 Shelbourne 36 19 12 5 52 28 +44 69
1.9 2004 Shelbourne 36 19 11 6 57 37 +40 68
1.9 2010 Shamrock R 36 19 10 7 57 34 +23 67

Shamrock Rovers won the league with the lowest points average since Shelbourne in 2004. Generally the league champions need an average of over 2 points a game.

Shamrock Rovers won more points last season:

2.1 2009 Bohemians 36 24 5 7 62 21 +41 77
2.0 2009 Shamrock R 36 21 10 5 51 27 24 73

It's the first time since 2006 that the top two in the league finished level on points and it came down to goal difference:

2.1 2006 Shelbourne 30 18 8 4 60 27 +33 62
2.1 2006 Derry City 30 18 8 4 46 20 +26 62

1.9 2010 Shamrock R 36 19 10 7 57 34 +23 67
1.9 2010 Bohemians 36 19 10 7 50 29 +21 67

Bohemians clearly have had the best points average from the top table above, 2.6 in 2008. In 2005, 3 teams finished with a points average of 2 points or more:

2.2 2005 Cork City 33 22 8 3 53 18 +35 74
2.2 2005 Derry City 33 22 6 5 56 25 +31 72
2.0 2005 Shelbourne 33 20 7 6 62 25 +37 67

The difference is Rovers didnt cheat to win they league like the rest of them

I think....

**WoodquayBoy** · 30/10/2010, 10:48 PM

Congrats to our new League champions, and to Derry as well, both fully deserved

**dfx-** · 30/10/2010, 11:12 PM

Worst champions...jesus...

Lowest points could mean any number of things..

How's about: Rovers were only able to get 67 points because it was much tougher to get the points than other years or in simple terms, a tougher league to win..

**Nah Nah Nah Nah** · 30/10/2010, 11:13 PM

Originally Posted by PartySaint

The difference is Rovers didnt cheat to win they league like the rest of them

I think....

I'm sure Dundalk fans would differ with that comment

**mypost** · 31/10/2010, 1:00 AM

Originally Posted by Rasputin

Possibly the worst team to win the league in at least a decade.
Talk about stumbling over the line with terrible football, just pipping Bohs who were equally as brutal.
But to Shams fans that wont matter a bit and if I was in their position it wouldnt matter to me either.

You're right, it wouldn't matter, and you're wrong, we're not the worst team to win it.

2 years ago, it was claimed by a big points gap. Was that the worst league in years?
3 years ago, it was won by a team who like the other champions in the era, bought it with borrowed money? Was that the worst league in years?
9 years ago, Shels blew a 12 point gap, to lose the league on goal difference. Was that the worst league in years?
In 2002, Pats were deducted 15 points in order to let Shels win the league. Was that the worst league in years? Were they the worst team to win the league in years?

I could go on, and it may be something you don't understand, but there is NO greater feeling as a fan than winning your own country's top league. Doesn't matter what the year, or the quality of the opposition, it's a whole year's work to get to where we are now. It's not won over 10 games, or 5 games, or half a season, it's won in this country over 36 games. You test yourself against all kinds of opposition 4 times a year in all types of conditions, and if you're first, it means you were the best in the country over the season. There's no prizes for most beautiful football, or longest unbeaten run, or highest possession stats, you get them for getting to the line in front of everyone else.

Last year, we took 12 points from Sligo, this year we took 10 off them. So despite the prettier football, there is no argument over who is the better side results wise at this time.

Winning the league in turn results in CL football, where 2 rounds won = UEFA Cup group stage at least, and 1 round won = UEFA Cup playoffs at least. It leads to higher crowds at home and away games, and increased revenue which in turn attracts more sponsors and better players, and more success. We're not Cork, or Drogs, or Shels. Our board know what they're doing, and run the club as it should be run. It works.

**Dixie Dean** · 31/10/2010, 8:57 AM

Originally Posted by mypost

Winning the league in turn results in CL football, where 2 rounds won = UEFA Cup group stage at least, and 1 round won = UEFA Cup playoffs at least. It leads to higher crowds at home and away games, and increased revenue which in turn attracts more sponsors and better players, and more success.

You are absolutely correct, thats what happened when Shels, Derry, Cork, Bohs and Drogs won the league
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oh wait....... :-)

**Nah Nah Nah Nah** · 31/10/2010, 9:05 AM

I don't really see how the argument that because we didn't beat ye this season we didn't deserve to finish ahead of ye this season stands up. The reason we didn't finish ahead of ye this season is that ye took more points off all the teams combined not just in the games we played. There's no extra points gained for games against Shams as opposed to games against UCD. Based on that comment then Fingal deserved to finish ahead of Shams. (ye 'only' took 8 points off us this season by the way)

Everyone going on about Shams being the worst champions ever. Well if that's the case then it doesn't say much for the rest of the teams who couldn't finish ahead of them.

**Jicked** · 31/10/2010, 9:11 AM

Originally Posted by Dixie Dean

You are absolutely correct, thats what happened when Shels, Derry, Cork, Bohs and Drogs won the league
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oh wait....... :-)

Did those other teams turn profits in the year they won the league? MON was also on the radio yesterday, didn't exactly sound like a man who wants to start breaking the bank, he clearly states the Rovers business model is to invest in younger players not the established league names, and wants to see money put towards training facilities and investing in schoolboy teams.
http://media.newstalk.ie/podcast/21331/popup

**Dixie Dean** · 31/10/2010, 9:23 AM

And retired players - he is a standards setter.

**Jicked** · 31/10/2010, 9:34 AM

Christ almighty, the amount of actual football talk on here is almost non-existent with the amount of cringeily unfunny jibes everyone has to try to make all the time. Now we just need SkStu to show up and mention 4%, Reiteoir to mention a plastic bottle and then someone just to say the words Model Club and the cycle will be complete again.