Very disappointed that Foley isn't picked over Kelly - though Foley's error for Elmander's (superb) goal seems to have been overlooked by everyone here and criticism of Kelly above is unfair. He's a decent enough player, but probably no more than that.
I've no doubt Coleman and Wilson will see a fair bit of action and in Coleman's case I wouldn't be surprised if they're accomodating Moyes by giving Coleman only 45 minutes.
I hope Fahey grabs his chance.
Couldn't agree with you more, those 4 defo would have started. Trap's hand has been forced with these injuries but after the stick he has received recently, he has no choice but to go with as many experienced players as possible. Very inexperienced international defence which is why he's gone with Kelly, Fahey in at CM which is why he's stuck with Whelan, was no need to start Lawrence and Doyle starting is puely down to experience and the 100% he puts in in every shift. He also missed the Slovakia game so I'm sure he was keen to play in Green again!!!Originally Posted by shakermaker1982
Instant impression is one of disappointment, but if I let my imagination run away with itself the past few days with all the withdrawals and got carried away, it's still an interesting team selection, albeit one done with a hand tied around the back.
He obviously doesn't see Wilson as a centre half. We were warned by Drummerboy that O'Dea would start.
Fahey in the middle really could be interesting. I'm very disappointed he's picked Duff over McGeady, the only reason I can think of is that he feels Duff will offer Cunningham more protection given his inexperience.
I have to say I'm disappointed he's picked Lawrence on the right. I like LL, but we know what he can offer, and I would have preferred to see either Coleman or McGeady start there.
I'm trying to temper my disgust that Foley isn't starting with the fact that kelly is there longer and is equally deserving of a pick, but the kid has been very good so far this season, and has been around the fringes long enough. I suppose he ain't really a kid anymore either.
I hope he'll make the following changes as the game wears on.
Foley -> Kelly
Coleman -> Lawrence
Wilson -> Whelan
Treacy -> Duff
Walters -> Doyle
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I think Fahey's starting position might have come at the expense of Coleman's. Including those two, plus Duff in a four man midfield would give it a very weak defensive outlook. Lawrence adds a bit more stability, he's not going to go forward as often, or as fast as Coleman, but he's not going to leave Kelly as exposed as I think Coleman would.
I think it's the combination of greater experience and ability. Kelly's not terrible. Having said that, ability has never always been a prerequisite for getting into Trap's sides.
It's fairly simple. Experience. This may be a friendly, but it's still a fairly important game, in terms of having experience and consistency within the team. Interestingly, Trap actually started Foley in CM in one of the behind closed doors friendlies - shifting McShane to right back to accommodate the Duffy O'Dea partnership. I wonder will McShane still be in contention for the RB slot after this game, with three prospective right backs in the squad?
Disagree. Lawrence is a solid, hardworking winger who has been fit and playing well. Coleman has had limited experience on the wing, McGeady is suspect when it comes to tracking back and Hunt is just returning from injury and naturally has yet to find good form.Lawrence is a poor call as well, ahead of Coleman, McGeady and Hunt.
Experience. Depending on how awful Whelan may be, Wilson should get a decent run out.Also, Whelan has been awful in recent games and isn't up to it. Would have loved to have seen Wilson start.
Egil "Drillo" Olsen at Lansdowne Rd.
Drillo wants to win this game, while he considers the performance more important than the result nevertheless he thinks they will win 1-0.
I appreciate that Tets. The problem (a good problem) is that we actually have the players available (for one night only) to play a quick-passing, fast-tempo game.
Foley- Coleman/Foley-McGeady & Cunningham-Duff/Cunningham-McGeady with a middle pair of Glenn & Fats and Doyle and Long is an extremely skillful team. Pace is something we've not been genuinely blessed with for a while. It can be utilised.
Also it's a slight team, but I'm not sure LL is more aggressive than Coleman, Kelly probably is a bit more so than Foley though.
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The mad genius.Egil "Drillo" Olsen at Lansdowne Rd.
Drillo wants to win this game, while he considers the performance more important than the result nevertheless he thinks they will win 1-0.
Here they come! It’s the charge of the “Thanks” Brigade!
It's hardly an apocalyptic selection. O'Dea did well for us in May and we were stuck for options. At least he's actually a CB. If he plays well he may well keep ahead of McShane in the reserve CB pecking order.
I agree with your suggested substitutions.
O'Dea hasn't played in a while for Ipswich. he is a barebones selection.
"Warned" was the incorrect word to use. "Informed" perhaps would be better. I've no issue with Darren O'Dea starting tomorrow, as he is the next centre half in line. Dunne, O'Shea, St Ledger are all ahead of him. Indeed it's a positive insofar as he might edge McShane out of the squad totally if he goes well.
In my eyes he's probably 4th depending on where Clark fits into the equation for Trap.
All in all though this could be the start of a curve where the squad changes for the better. Ideally if the likes of Long, Walters, O'Dea, Foley, Treacy, Coleman led to the phasing out of Hunt, Hunt, McShane, Kilbane, Green, we'd be better off for it in the short, medium and long term.
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What's Stephen Hunt done wrong?!
Surely O'Shea is there out of neccesity more than anything else. On the Foley note, Wolves bad defensive record is far more to do with their CB pairing. In fact, I would say Foley is their only strong defender at the moment. I know people like Ward a lot, but when i've seen him his defensive abilities remind me a bit of McShane, he always seems to have a mistake or two in him. He's just better going forward.
He'll defo sub on Walters and Coleman. I just pray to Christ he subs Whelan for Wilson at some stage, and not Fahey for Wilson.
I'm pretty excited about this game now tho, the one thing that has shown with Trap is it only takes one game for him to decide on a player. Lawrence being the perfect example.
On another note, I'm glad to see Given as captain.
Indeed. Actually I think having Stephen Hunt and Seamus Coleman in the squad is a really exciting prospect - for instance, they could have some impact off the bench late on in games. Send the pair of them on to terrorise full-backs.
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In relation to Stephen Hunt (and this shouldn't derail the thread) but most people have admired his passion and enthusiasm above everything, and that he's seen as an impact player more than anything else.
Duffer is coming to the end of his days, but with McGeady (in my opinion) offering more on the left, and Keith Treacy too (I really think this fella has potential for us) then maybe we should be going beyond Hunt? I like the guy and he sure is a cult hero in many respects, but I think in the medium term we will have better options. It's not even a criticism of the guy.
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For the amount of time he's spent on the pitch for us, I can't think of a player who's created more goals than Hunt. In terms of set-piece delivery, only Lawrence comes close.
I don't agree on that I have to be honest. For me, Josh' best position is at centre back, and Dunne & O'Shea are our best CB combination. They haven't been selected together since St Ledgers rise, because he is an adequate replacement while Josh fills a bigger gap at RB. A job he's done well.
This would be my favoured squad at the moment:
Given/Westwood/An Other
Foley/Kelly
Dunne/St Ledger
O'Shea/Another -> Clark/O'Dea
Kilbane/Cunningham
McGeady/Coleman
Whelan/Andrews/McCarthy/Fahey
Duff/Lawrence
Keane/Long
Doyle/Stokes
I would like to see the B Internationals utilised a little more, as I think they would answer a few questions about guys like Wilson, Clark, Pat McCarthy, O'Dea, Ward, Meyler, Sheridan Stokes etc.
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As I said, I've no problem with Stephen Hunt. I just think that he is limited to a certain extent. I wear my admiration for McGeady on my sleeve and feel he's completely underappreciated by Irish fans, when compared with the adoration that Hunt gets.
With Fahey becoming more prominent also, and hopefully he has a decent game tomorrow night, he would be ahead of everyone for set piece duty, consistently excellent and always has been too.
Edit. I certainly don't classify Hunty as a liabilty either.
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