Stanley Kubrik

**pete** · 10/05/2004, 2:05 PM

Just seen Eyes Wide Shut on tv last night. If theres been a better Movie Director/Writer i can't name him. He didn't do ordinary movies anyway.

**max power** · 10/05/2004, 2:13 PM

hitchcock.......the god of all film makers......

**Dodge** · 10/05/2004, 2:27 PM

Not ordinary no... but Eyes wide shut isn't good.

Scorsese for me...

**max power** · 10/05/2004, 2:39 PM

Scorsese would ahve been my first choice but gangs of new york was a real let down , i can't think of one bad film hitchcock made......

**eoinh** · 10/05/2004, 2:48 PM

Kubrick made memorable films all right. They are all very different.

Hitch was a master. Saw the film "rope" the other day on TV not one of his most heralded but its still a masterpiece. The entire film takes place in one room yet your attention would never wander for a moment.

My favourite film makers though was the team of Powell/Pressburger. Ive seen a lot of their films and with the odd exception their amazing imo anyway.

**pete** · 10/05/2004, 3:12 PM

Originally Posted by eoinh

Kubrick made memorable films all right. They are all very different.

Suppose thats what trying to say. Kubrick didn't make many but all great & each in own genre & possibly the king of controversy. The Shining, 2001, Lolita, Clockwork Orange... Was like he said would make one movie from each category.

Hitchkock probably most influencial movie maker as been copied or re-applied elsewhere but he made a few no so good movies...

IMO Scorcese not worthy of their company...

**Dodge** · 10/05/2004, 3:26 PM

Well Scorsese (and the Movie brats of the early 70s) re-invented cinema in America and without them, we'd be stuck with nothing better than the Jerry bruckheimer tripe. They made the Director and the story king, taking the power away from producers only interested in Cash. Just because every Rubbish director copied the tracking shot from him doesn't mean his achievements are duiluted in any way

I challenge anybody to name a director who has made 3 better films than Goodfella, Raging Bull and Taxi Driver. (and yes I include hitchcock and Kubrick in there) Don't believe for one second that just because Robert De Niro is in all 3 that those films are in anyway the same. Oh and Scorsese's After Hours is one of the best comedies of all time.

**WeAreRovers** · 10/05/2004, 3:35 PM

My two cent worth -

Kubrick went from (The Killing 10/10 one of my favourite ever films) to Eyes Wide Shut (3/10 pretentious tosh)

The Kings of cinema -

Scorcese - Favourite film - Mean Streets

Hitchcock - Favourite Film - Rear Window

Current masters - The Coen Brothers - Favourite film - Miller's Crossing

KOH

**tiktok** · 10/05/2004, 3:36 PM

Kubrick's done the very very good (The Shining, Strangelove, Full Metal Jacket) and the very very bad (Barry Lyndon, Eyes Wide shut). People rate him highly because of the memorable scenes that pepper his films, but an awful lot of his stuff is poorly paced and just drags the films down.

Hitchcock's stuff is all classic, but it's been parodied and copied so many times over now that the originals can often seem dated, it's only when you come across the slightly less popular ones e.g. The Rope as was mentioned, or Strangers on a Train, that you see how good he was. the Tennis scene in the latter is one of the simplest and creepiest I can think of.

I'd throw the Coen Brothers into the hat.

**tiktok** · 10/05/2004, 3:42 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

Oh and Scorsese's After Hours is one of the best comedies of all time.

And the Last Waltz is THE best music documentary of all time, I'd rate Scorcese highly however...

'Kundun'
'Bringing out the dead' (where he worked with Schaefer again)
and 'New York New York' are all rubbish.

and let's not mention the video to 'Bad'

**Dodge** · 10/05/2004, 3:56 PM

Originally Posted by tiktok

And the Last Waltz is THE best music documentary of all time, I'd rate Scorcese highly however...

'Kundun'
'Bringing out the dead' (where he worked with Schaefer again)
and 'New York New York' are all rubbish.

and let's not mention the video to 'Bad'

Ok Kundun was boring but Pete wants different. Its certainly different.
Bringing Out the Dead is still good but it doesen't compare to Taxi Driver (also written by Paul Schrader

) Still Miles better than most films though

New york, New York is rubbish. Again its different though, a musical with De Niro?!

Coen Bros are great but for they made the Hudsucker Proxy and the Man who Wasn't there, so even they have rubbish films under their belt.

**eoinh** · 10/05/2004, 4:12 PM

Originally Posted by Conor74

Think the Coen Brothers are outstanding.

Blood Simple
Fargo
Raising Arizona
The Hudsucker Proxy
Miller's Crossing
O Brother Where Art Thou
Barton Fink
The Big Lebowski

Wasn't too impressed with The Man Who Wasn't There tbh, but more because it just wasn't that interesting, rather than badly directed. But Blood Simple and O Brother are classics...

The Coen Brothers are excellent. Loved Fargo and O Brother Where art Thou but Intolerable Cruelty was crap IMO.

The great films of the last few years were imo Donnie Darko (hopefully the director of that film Richard Kelly will go on to other good work), Lantana, city of god and BELLEVILLE RENDEZ-VOUS.

**WeAreRovers** · 10/05/2004, 4:24 PM

Originally Posted by tiktok

And the Last Waltz is THE best music documentary of all time, I'd rate Scorcese highly however...

'Kundun'
'Bringing out the dead' (where he worked with Schaefer again)
and 'New York New York' are all rubbish.

and let's not mention the video to 'Bad'

In fairness Bringing Out the Dead has its moments especially the Clash heavy soundtrack.

KOH

**max power** · 10/05/2004, 4:29 PM

Nobody Has Mentioned A Rubbish Hitchcock Movie Yet ????

**eoinh** · 10/05/2004, 4:32 PM

Originally Posted by max power

Nobody Has Mentioned A Rubbish Hitchcock Movie Yet ????

Juno and the paycock

**eoinh** · 10/05/2004, 4:34 PM

Originally Posted by tiktok

And the Last Waltz is THE best music documentary of all time, I'd rate Scorcese highly however...

Woodstock aint bad in that department

**pete** · 10/05/2004, 4:37 PM

I think the Coens are great (originality being their tool) but just don't see them at the upper edge of movie making. Brother Where Arth Thou gets better everytime I see it.

Of the ones i've Marnie & The Trouble About Harry wouldn't be Hitchcock classics.

Maybe I was reading too much into it but though Eyes Wide Shut good enough & not for the scenes ye all thinking about.

**eoinh** · 10/05/2004, 4:41 PM

Originally Posted by Conor74

If I want to see a few hundred crows I'd fire a shotgun in the local woods and watch them rise...

sounds like a sinn fein members excuse ......

**the 12 th man** · 10/05/2004, 4:42 PM

what about "high anxiety".spoof hitchcock film by mel brooks.
one of my fav films

**WeAreRovers** · 10/05/2004, 4:50 PM

Originally Posted by Conor74

Thought the Birds was vastly overrated myself. Lots of screaming and running. Du Maurier's story on which it was based was far far better. If I want to see a few hundred crows I'd fire a shotgun in the local woods and watch them rise...

The Birds was light years ahead of its time in the SFX dept. and it had Tippi Hedren in it.

KOH