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**CSFShels** · 26/10/2010, 10:22 PM

Originally Posted by City till I Die

The operating company Wellvan did. Its no different to Liverpool FC being under the name Kop Holdings or Southampton being under the name Southampton Leisure Holding (SLH) PLC

Its actually a good bit different. You see the old Derry City were actually expelled from the League Of Ireland, not demoted. A new club was formed, and were not allowed compete in competitions the old Derry City competed in (the Setanta Cup being the 1 that remained). Liverpool will still be allowed compete in their competitions, because it isn't a new club, just a different holding company. Derry on the other hand had to set up a new club, with a new holding company.

**OneRedArmy** · 26/10/2010, 10:22 PM

Originally Posted by Sam_Heggy

So Derry City Football Club didn't sign players on dual contracts and run up huge debt?

I think strictly Derry City FC (the FAI registered football club) did the dodgy dealings with the contracts, whilst Wellvan ran up the debts (as the company is the body corporate).

No matter how much people want it not to be true, the club and the operating company are not the same. This is enshrined in corporate law in pretty much every jurisdiction, which is super equivalent to the rules of any football association.

A club is whatever it wants to be and is only bound by the rules of whatever association it maintains membership of.

As proof, everyone who tries to support the view we are somehow not Derry City ends up referring back to the change in operating companies. You're comparing fish and bicycles.

On the basis we own the right to trade as Derry City FC, which we do,and nobody else can be Derry City FC, which they can't, WE ARE DERRY CITY FC.

We can refer to past triumphs, history and the like as we see fit. FFS we were out of senior football for over a decade and nobody other then the IL bigot brigade queried us including those results in our history.

Build a bridge and get over it.....

**Aaron** · 26/10/2010, 10:29 PM

Originally Posted by CSFShels

Its actually a good bit different. You see the old Derry City were actually expelled from the League Of Ireland, not demoted. A new club was formed, and were not allowed compete in competitions the old Derry City competed in (the Setanta Cup being the 1 that remained). Liverpool will still be allowed compete in their competitions, because it isn't a new club, just a different holding company. Derry on the other hand had to set up a new club, with a new holding company.

It was the other clubs who objected to Derry playing in the Setanta Cup, not the committe itself. Sure at the start of the season Derry were rumoured to be told our first game of the season was to be against Linfield.

Whether you or any other person likes it or not, Derry City of now is the same as Derry City of 1928, honours included.

**CSFShels** · 26/10/2010, 10:33 PM

Originally Posted by City till I Die

It was the other clubs who objected to Derry playing in the Setanta Cup, not the committe itself. Sure at the start of the season Derry were rumoured to be told our first game of the season was to be against Linfield.

Whether you or any other person likes it or not, Derry City of now is the same as Derry City of 1928, honours included.

The clubs objected on the basis that the Derry City who had competed earlier in the competition had ceased to exist. Their objection was successful.

**Aaron** · 26/10/2010, 10:36 PM

Originally Posted by CSFShels

The clubs objected on the basis that the Derry City who had competed earlier in the competition had ceased to exist. Their objection was successful.

Can I ask you did you have the same reservations in 1994?

**CSFShels** · 26/10/2010, 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by City till I Die

Can I ask you did you have the same reservations in 1994?

I don't think my 7 year old self thought these things through to be perfectly honest.

**Charlie Darwin** · 26/10/2010, 11:24 PM

Originally Posted by osarusan

They wouldn't have been denied re-entry, they would have been accepted in the A-League. Where the majority of their fans on here had hoped for, and where there would have been a precendent set that the FAI are willing to take a stance on crazy spending.

The A Championship isn't part of the League of Ireland.

**GalwayRed** · 26/10/2010, 11:40 PM

Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

The A Championship isn't part of the League of Ireland.

Yes it is.

**Charlie Darwin** · 26/10/2010, 11:53 PM

Originally Posted by GalwayRed

Yes it is.

No, it isn't.

http://www.airtricityleague.com/inde...ip/information

**bullit** · 27/10/2010, 12:01 AM

Originally Posted by GalwayRed

Yes it is.

No, it isn't.

Panto season has started early here!!

**GalwayRed** · 27/10/2010, 12:03 AM

Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

No, it isn't.

http://www.airtricityleague.com/inde...ip/information

Seems not by that piece alright. But Derry still would have been allowed entrance to the A Championship seeing as it is the FAI who are in charge of it. Clubs can get promoted to the first division through it so Derry would have hardly been isolated down there.
I'm not going to get into the argument of what league Derry should have started in, just pointing this out.

**Candystripe** · 27/10/2010, 2:41 AM

Great to see the Shels and harps fans getting this out of their systems,it makes winning the league even better lol

The good news is this time next year you's can do it all over again when Cork win the league.

**osarusan** · 27/10/2010, 8:20 AM

Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

The A Championship isn't part of the League of Ireland.

That doesn't mean that they couldn't have put Derry in there. They could have put them in there just as easily as the First Div.

**shantykelly** · 27/10/2010, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by osarusan

That doesn't mean that they couldn't have put Derry in there. They could have put them in there just as easily as the First Div.

Exactly, the FAI chose to put Derry into the First Division. Who on here, in all honesty, would have rejected such an offer if they faced similar circumstances?

**osarusan** · 27/10/2010, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by shantykelly

Exactly, the FAI chose to put Derry into the First Division. Who on here, in all honesty, would have rejected such an offer if they faced similar circumstances?

As I've repeatedly said, I've got no problem with Derry. They were offered a place in the first division - of course they're going to take it.

We agree that the FAI chose to put Derry in Div. 1 when they could have put them elsewhere - my problem is that the FAI spurned a good chance to show they are willing to get seriously tough with overspending clubs. Derry will spend one year out of the premier with all their debts wipe clean - not as strong as deterrent as I'd like.

**micls** · 27/10/2010, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by osarusan

We agree that the FAI chose to put Derry in Div. 1 when they could have put them elsewhere - my problem is that the FAI spurned a good chance to show they are willing to get seriously tough with overspending clubs. Derry will spend one year out of the premier with all theid debts wipe clean - not as strong as deterrent as I'd like.

I think half the problem for the FAI was the amount of clubs that fecked up last year and the lack of replacements.

We applied for an A championship licence, then upgraded it to first division simply because we met the criteria so we might as well have that licence. This was before the going bust thing. We fully expected the A championship before the Derry saga.

If the FAI had demoted both ourselves and Derry to the A championship they would have had to re-jig the league set-up and only have 10 in the first division, as none of the other A championship clubs qualified for First division licences.

Now a 10 team first division wouldn't really be much different but it would be a change from what they wanted. But you're right, it might have been more of a deterrent.

Also, it would have meant that at least one of ourselves or Derry would have had to spend 2 years in the A championship, something the FAI would have wanted to avoid, crowds etc.

Personally I think if the Derry thing hadn't happened, there's a chance they would have kicked us to the A championship(or the other way around if it had been only 1 club) and fudged Cobh to Division1 or something, as a punishment, but when they fidged for Derry they then had to accept our valid licence application when there was another spot

**osarusan** · 27/10/2010, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by micls

Also, it would have meant that at least one of ourselves or Derry would have had to spend 2 years in the A championship, something the FAI would have wanted to avoid, crowds etc.

This is the key point in my opinion. Of course Derry and Cork are big teams and bring a lot to the LOI, but this has to be (or should be) balanced against the need to stop clubs overspending. I just think the FAI got the balance wrong.

**Charlie Darwin** · 27/10/2010, 2:57 PM

Originally Posted by osarusan

That doesn't mean that they couldn't have put Derry in there. They could have put them in there just as easily as the First Div.

Of course, and they chose the better option. Nobody would have benefited from Derry destroying every other side in the A Championship.

**Martinho II** · 27/10/2010, 6:54 PM

Originally Posted by micls

I think half the problem for the FAI was the amount of clubs that fecked up last year and the lack of replacements.

We applied for an A championship licence, then upgraded it to first division simply because we met the criteria so we might as well have that licence. This was before the going bust thing. We fully expected the A championship before the Derry saga.

If the FAI had demoted both ourselves and Derry to the A championship they would have had to re-jig the league set-up and only have 10 in the first division, as none of the other A championship clubs qualified for First division licences.

Now a 10 team first division wouldn't really be much different but it would be a change from what they wanted. But you're right, it might have been more of a deterrent.

Also, it would have meant that at least one of ourselves or Derry would have had to spend 2 years in the A championship, something the FAI would have wanted to avoid, crowds etc.

Personally I think if the Derry thing hadn't happened, there's a chance they would have kicked us to the A championship(or the other way around if it had been only 1 club) and fudged Cobh to Division1 or something, as a punishment, but when they fidged for Derry they then had to accept our valid licence application when there was another spot

I know this question is off topic micls but with cork city foras are ye allowed to keep the old cork citys honours list or is this wiped out altogether now??

**GalwayRed** · 27/10/2010, 7:12 PM

Originally Posted by Candystripe

Great to see the Shels and harps fans getting this out of their systems,it makes winning the league even better lol

The good news is this time next year you's can do it all over again when Cork win the league.

Sure after we won the league in 2006 there was outrage from the Derry fans. But now it's your own club it's a different story.