Weekend Latest 22-24 Oct

[OneRedArmy]

Paynig your debtors? No wonder ye're fecked...


Did Harps do that? But yeah, you would have to agree.

I wasn't referring to Harps specifically. But I'd guess the list of clubs that haven't shafted suppliers, shareholders etc. over the years is a fairly short one.

[dcfc_1928]

Surely using your logic, if Finn Harps Cooperative Society Limited didn't "own" Finn Harps FC in 1974 then you'd have to remove the FAI Cup win from your list of honours?

So Derry writing off almost €1million in debt, bypassing the A League and allowed to have a budget which is vastly higher than the rest of sides in the division is punishment?
Who has exactly suffered in this situation, other than the creditors?

So what's different in Derry 2009 and 2010?
-They played pre-season in the "old" Derry's 2009 strip.
-They have the same manager as before.
-The same colours.
-The old club's (1994-2009 and 1928-1994) honours.
-Have founded in 1928 on the club crest.
-Play in the Brandywell.

Cobh were drop kicked into the A-League with their debt whilst Kildare and Kilkenny were simply allowed to fold from senior football.

No surprise that other clubs fans may back Derry in this, after all, their club may be looking at the same avenue in the not too distant future.

By the way, it is sour grapes, I have no problem admitting that. We, as a club, bust our hump every season with fundraisers and ticket draws to keep the club afloat whilst trying to field 3 or more sides and service debt. We also saw our club undergo a huge review to sort out the working of the club and to ensure that the huge debt is not run up again.
In turn, a club that cheated to gain sucess in European and domestic competition can start a fresh and buy their way straight back to the Premier Division again.

Rant over, now bring on the usual whiter than white Derry fans with their usual "get over it" bullology.

[osarusan]

I've got no issue with Derry repaying any debt or not. I couldn't care less about it.

My issue is not with Derry, but with the FAI who decided to fudge it so that Derry (and Cork? Same circumstances?) could get into Div. 1. I remember that on here at least the majority of the Derry (and Cork) fans were worried about the very existence of LOI football in the city, and would have settled for a restart in the A league.

The FAI had the chance to show teams that they are willing to punish overspenders, they had a chance to set a deterrent that really would make clubs take notice, and they didn't take it. As Mr. A says, what's to stop another team from doing it, as they have a precedent of a demotion of one flight and (if the team is big enough) maybe even an immediate return to the top flight?

[Sam_Heggy]

Surely using your logic, if Finn Harps Cooperative Society Limited didn't "own" Finn Harps FC in 1974 then you'd have to remove the FAI Cup win from your list of honours?

How is that the same?
The fans bought the club and the took over the debt, how is that the same as what Derry have done on 3 occasions now?

[Charlie Darwin]

I've got no issue with Derry repaying any debt or not. I couldn't care less about it.

My issue is not with Derry, but with the FAI who decided to fudge it so that Derry (and Cork? Same circumstances?) could get into Div. 1. I remember that on here at least the majority of the Derry (and Cork) fans were worried about the very existence of LOI football in the city, and would have settled for a restart in the A league.

The FAI had the chance to show teams that they are willing to punish overspenders, they had a chance to set a deterrent that really would make clubs take notice, and they didn't take it. As Mr. A says, what's to stop another team from doing it, as they have a precedent of a demotion of one flight and (if the team is big enough) maybe even an immediate return to the top flight?

Who were they punishing? The board ****ed off and the owners defaulted. Any further punishment would only hurt the blameless.

[osarusan]

Who were they punishing? The board ****ed off and the owners defaulted. Any further punishment would only hurt the blameless.

Seeing as how the board ****ed off and the owners defaulted, why punish the blameless at all?

[Charlie Darwin]

Seeing as how the board ****ed off and the owners defaulted, why punish the blameless at all?

They'd already been thrown out of the league. Denying them re-entry would have been punishing the blameless.

[osarusan]

They'd already been thrown out of the league. Denying them re-entry would have been punishing the blameless.

They wouldn't have been denied re-entry, they would have been accepted in the A-League. Where the majority of their fans on here had hoped for, and where there would have been a precendent set that the FAI are willing to take a stance on crazy spending.

[OneRedArmy]

They wouldn't have been denied re-entry, they would have been accepted in the A-League. Where the majority of their fans on here had hoped for, and where there would have been a precendent set that the FAI are willing to take a stance on crazy spending.

So its now the "we've got to draw a line in the sand somewhere" argument?

Which is an admission that we should be singled out for punishment, versus every other club (and its unarguably a long list) that played around with creditors, the Revenue etc., didn't pay all their debts and got off with it.

[CSFShels]

Its the 1928 on the crest that bugs me. Your club wasn't founded in 1928. It was founded in 2010.

[thischarmingman]

Its the 1928 on the crest that bugs me. Your club wasn't founded in 1928. It was founded in 2010.

[CSFShels]

Was your club founded in 1928 or 2010?

[Aaron]

Derry City Football Club was founded in 1928. The operating company behind Derry City Football club was founded in 2009.

[Réiteoir]

Was your club founded in 1928 or 2010?

First dual contracts - now dual foundation dates - it's an outrage I tells yer, a thundering disgrace...

[CSFShels]

Derry City Football Club was founded in 1928. The operating company behind Derry City Football club was founded in 2009.

So this is the same club, just with a different operating company?

[osarusan]

So its now the "we've got to draw a line in the sand somewhere" argument?

Which is an admission that we should be singled out for punishment, versus every other club (and its unarguably a long list) that played around with creditors, the Revenue etc., didn't pay all their debts and got off with it.

So it's now the 'why should it be us?' argument?

Unarguably you're not the first club to do it, but with a stronger stance from the FAI you might have been the last to do it, precisely because you didn't get away with it.

[Aaron]

So this is the same club, just with a different operating company?

Just like in 1994, yes.

[Sam_Heggy]

Just like in 1994, yes.

So Derry City Football Club didn't sign players on dual contracts and run up huge debt?

[Aaron]

So Derry City Football Club didn't sign players on dual contracts and run up huge debt?

The operating company Wellvan did. Its no different to Liverpool FC being under the name Kop Holdings or Southampton being under the name Southampton Leisure Holding (SLH) PLC

[MariborKev]

It shold be remembered too that Derry weren't demoted due to debts, but rather because of the dual contracts.

To be fair Dodge, Wellvan went into administration shortly after and is currently in liquidation. If it hadn't been the contracts, the debt should have got us.