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**Sam_Heggy** · 24/10/2010, 4:18 PM

Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

It's a new club and a new company. Why would they pay somebody else's debts? I know we are particularly eager to pay other people's debts in this country but they're a little smarter in the UK.

A new club with Founded in 1928 on their crest and listing previous Derry City's honours as their own.

**dfx-** · 24/10/2010, 4:30 PM

Originally Posted by BonnieShels

Quite frankly the most shocking result of the season. Not a bottle to be had anywhere.

I think Bohs threw everyone's at Twigg

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**SkStu** · 24/10/2010, 4:36 PM

Originally Posted by dfx-

I think Bohs threw everyone's at Twigg

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and i'm surprised you lot still had any left after chucking so many at Pats fans the other night...

**Charlie Darwin** · 24/10/2010, 5:01 PM

Originally Posted by Sam_Heggy

A new club with Founded in 1928 on their crest and listing previous Derry City's honours as their own.

So refer them to the consumer ombudsman for false advertising. I'm sure he'll take it every bit as seriously as you do.

They were still the best team in the First Division.

**WoodquayBoy** · 24/10/2010, 9:34 PM

Originally Posted by osarusan

True, but common sense also tells you to never do what Grimes did just in case the ref interprets it like last night.

Common sense also tells you this in the LOI, which means LOI refs, which means their grasp of the rules, as Osarusan says, is tenuous at best

**WoodquayBoy** · 24/10/2010, 9:45 PM

Originally Posted by Nah Nah Nah Nah

Bray hasn't won in 5 games! I'd say we're probably the form team in the country.

Taking league games only: of the teams in, or likely to be in, the play-off, Bray have actually the joint worst run of recent results (last 5 games).
United and Bray have both only taken 3 points from their last 5 games. Of the First Division sides, Waterford and Shels have both taken 12 points from a possible 15, with Mons having taken 7 from a possible 15.
Only Sporting and Sligo (13 from possible 15) have better recent form.
Of the 22 league teams, Sligo are on the longest unbeaten run (7 games) and are, as you say, the form team
Where’s me anorak

**bluemovie** · 25/10/2010, 6:57 PM

Originally Posted by GalwayRed

Yeah I would agree with that. Gaffney is standing directly in the spot where the free kick should have been taken. If the ref were to go by the rules of the game the goal shouldn't have stood because if the ref is interpreting the free to have been taken, then its been taken from the wrong position. Common sense as well would tell you that Grimes wanted the free kick taken from the spot Gaffney was in.
Harsh on Grimes.

Not sure whether that's an ad for Cillit Bang or a Tony Blair soundbite: "Harsh on Grimes. Harsh on the passes of Grimes".

**mypost** · 25/10/2010, 11:56 PM

Originally Posted by total hoofball

The club cheated last season, shut down/re-open by buying name back screwing creditors in process (all with facilitated by FAI), parachuted into 1st Division when they should have started in the A League, their new debt free status means they had the highest budget in the division and inevitably won the league. Simply put, their 'punishment' was one season in the First Division with having their debts cleared. Any First division team like Harps, Waterford, Shels or whoever who are restrained by trying to pay off their debts should feel cheated, it wasn't a level playing ground.

Derry have paid their penalty for what they did. Others still haven't.

If they "inevitably" were going to win the other division, they'd have done it weeks ago.

**dfx-** · 26/10/2010, 12:03 AM

Originally Posted by SkStu

and i'm surprised you lot still had any left after chucking so many at Pats fans the other night...

We don't - we threw ours away last season at the linesman - do you not remember, some Sligo fan made a funny picture out of it and all.

Explains why Pats had to throw first for us 2,000 on the pitch to play ball.

**Candystripe** · 26/10/2010, 1:26 AM

Originally Posted by WoodquayBoy

Taking league games only: Of the 22 league teams, Sligo are on the longest unbeaten run (7 games) and are, as you say, the form team
Where�s me anorak

You're not ready for that anorak yet WB. You should have said Sligo and Derry City are both on the longest unbeaten run (7 games) and are, as you say, the form teams

**dancinpants** · 26/10/2010, 5:20 AM

Originally Posted by Candystripe

You're not ready for that anorak yet WB. You should have said Sligo and Derry City are both on the longest unbeaten run (7 games) and are, as you say, the form teams

We may be unbeaten in 7 but both Shels and Waterford are above us in the "form table" as they amassed more points in the same period...thanks to the fact we've drawn 4 of those seven. Just sayin'.

**marinobohs** · 26/10/2010, 9:40 AM

Originally Posted by Spudulika

While it was a shame to see Derry end up in a mess, and somehow unsettling to see them bounce right back up, it just goes to show how awful football is organised in Ireland and how desperate the FAI were to keep a team in Derry somehow. I don't blame anyone in Derry, and I am 100% sure that if they'd been told - it's A Championship for you lot - last season, they'd gladly have joined the league, won it and next year win the 1st Division, not because of big money, but because they are the closest thing to a club most of us will encounter. I understand how other clubs who suffered might **** a strange eye at them, however would any of us have the moral courage to stop our club getting a place in the league when the abyss was before us?

Were derry not entitled to apply for first Division status ? If they were then I dont see the problem and if they were not then should the issue not haver been raised BEFORE the season ?

perhaps if they changed their gear to sackcloth and ashes it would appease some on here

**Charlie Darwin** · 26/10/2010, 9:54 AM

Candystripes you say? How dare they spend their money on sweets when they should be paying back creditors. For shame.

**Mr A** · 26/10/2010, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by marinobohs

Were derry not entitled to apply for first Division status ? If they were then I dont see the problem and if they were not then should the issue not haver been raised BEFORE the season ?

perhaps if they changed their gear to sackcloth and ashes it would appease some on here

Actually the deadline had already passed, so technically, no. And people at the time wondered whether the same opportunity had been extended to current A league clubs.

**marinobohs** · 26/10/2010, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by Mr A

Actually the deadline had already passed, so technically, no. And people at the time wondered whether the same opportunity had been extended to current A league clubs.

Fair enough, Mr A but why didn't clubs kick up at that time ? I cannot remember one single club objecting to FAI allowing Derry into the first Division. Bit late now for some to be moaning and does sound like sour grapes that they look likely to win the first Division.

BTW not a Derry City fan, just an outside observer.

**WoodquayBoy** · 26/10/2010, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by Candystripe

You're not ready for that anorak yet WB. You should have said Sligo and Derry City are both on the longest unbeaten run (7 games) and are, as you say, the form teams

My bad

**tippex** · 26/10/2010, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by marinobohs

Fair enough, Mr A but why didn't clubs kick up at that time ? I cannot remember one single club objecting to FAI allowing Derry into the first Division. Bit late now for some to be moaning and does sound like sour grapes that they look likely to win the first Division.

BTW not a Derry City fan, just an outside observer.

Most clubs wont kick up a fuss because they know that if they do that somewhere in the near future they may need a dig out in some shape or form and wont get it if they rock the boat.

**OneRedArmy** · 26/10/2010, 12:21 PM

Just on the issue on Derry City paying back their creditors, I'm surprised so many on here seem to think the fans now in charge of the club should be forced to pay back the former directors who ran the club into the ground (as the connected creditors form a significant part of the debt). To me that seems completely wrongheaded. But clearly, I don't know what I'm talking about...

Although that said, I'm heartened that as an equity shareholder, the foot.ie brains trust thinks I should be bailed out too, after all, I'm a creditor, albeit on the lowest rung of the ladder ( Presumably I'll be bailing myself out, through purchasing new shares in the New company in order to pay myself as a Wellvan shareholder........).

Or do the budding insolvency practicioners actually not have the foggiest idea about what they're talking about?

Moral indignation only gets you so far but at some stage you have to comply with the law.

**Charlie Darwin** · 26/10/2010, 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

Just on the issue on Derry City paying back their creditors, I'm surprised so many on here seem to think the fans now in charge of the club should be forced to pay back the former directors who ran the club into the ground (as the connected creditors form a significant part of the debt). To me that seems completely wrongheaded. But clearly, I don't know what I'm talking about...

If people would take a minute to think about it they'd see how bizarre a position it is.

The creditors were always going to get burned. At least this way, the new holding company has been allowed to continue trading, and I'd wager with a lot of the same suppliers who were screwed by the former company's collapse. Not to mention the commerce that matchdays bring to the surrounding area every two weeks.

**legendz** · 26/10/2010, 12:54 PM

Sligo have been great this season. They are only 6 points off the top. Had they had had a better start, they could've been challenging for the title. I hope they can keep their current squad together and build for next season.