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**MagicMon** · 02/11/2011, 5:08 PM

Facepalm yourself, I was agreeing that hardly anyone on here knows what is actually going on given how many versions of the story have been bandied about. I'm not sad enough to go back through threads to count how many individuals proposed what player, but I do remember having a panic attack about Keith Quinn until I realized that the Sligo replay was a few days before.

**Mr A** · 02/11/2011, 5:12 PM

So.

Has anybody heard about what the structure of the league is likely to be next year?

**geezer** · 02/11/2011, 6:33 PM

Originally Posted by Mr A

So.

Has anybody heard about what the structure of the league is likely to be next year?

What are you hoping for , try back around the middle of march

**bluewhitearmy** · 02/11/2011, 8:25 PM

Originally Posted by MagicMon

Facepalm yourself, I was agreeing that hardly anyone on here knows what is actually going on given how many versions of the story have been bandied about. I'm not sad enough to go back through threads to count how many individuals proposed what player, but I do remember having a panic attack about Keith Quinn until I realized that the Sligo replay was a few days before.

So instead you make up that it was all Limerick fans...When in fact it was just me and it was because it said on Extratime that Eric Foley was suspended.

If i recall correctly didnt you just do the same thing the other day saying Limerick fans wanted a team to go bust when in fact it was just one person that said it and no-one had agreed with him.

**Sam_Heggy** · 02/11/2011, 8:28 PM

Originally Posted by bluewhitearmy

So instead you make up that it was all Limerick fans...When in fact it was just me and it was because it said on Extratime that Eric Foley was suspended.

If i recall correctly didnt you just do the same thing the other day saying Limerick fans wanted a team to go bust when in fact it was just one person that said it and no-one had agreed with him.

Where did you hear about it being 1 division of 18 teams next season?

**BonnieShels** · 02/11/2011, 9:31 PM

Originally Posted by MagicMon

Sure for the first few hours of this all the Limerick fans were on here adamant that it was keith quinn and monaghan would be docked points.

Make up your mind, are you sure it was this guy?

I find it hard to believe Roddy would make room for him considering he's not known for being a holding midfielder and he'll easily upstage Roderick as being the "dapperest dandy man" in Gortakeegan.

**born2bwild** · 02/11/2011, 10:15 PM

Originally Posted by BonnieShels

Make up your mind, are you sure it was this guy?

I find it hard to believe Roddy would make room for him considering he's not known for being a holding midfielder and he'll easily upstage Roderick as being the "dapperest dandy man" in Gortakeegan.

Neither is Keith Quinn. Known for being a holding midfielder - a rival for Roddy in the 'dapperest dandy man in Monaghan', I don't know.

**MagicMon** · 02/11/2011, 10:26 PM

Maybe not a holding midfielder, but his set piece stand-and-delivery is excellent.

(I'll get me coat.)

**citybone** · 08/11/2011, 12:29 PM

I dont have any facts but the Premier division will prob be a 12 team split like the SPL and the first division its hard to say as we dont know who will be in the division but at a guess it will include the current 7 clubs and maybe 4 of the a championship teams making 11 clubs but likely that 1 or more of these clubs will not be in the 1st division next season. so at a guess 10 team first division.
On the CCFC forum we were suggesting a regionalised 1st division to cut down on travelling costs for clubs but would prob need more than 10 teams for this so unless some of the prem division clubs put in reserve sides to bump the number of sides in the 1st division to 16 or 18 and then split it to regionalised 1st division.

**legendz** · 08/11/2011, 12:30 PM

Sadlier didn't like any suggestions last night of just having one division with possibly only 14 or 16 clubs. His reference to Galway being poor and a reason not to expand the Premier as a result was unfair on the likes of Cork and Shels. Both of these clubs will add a lot to the Premier and will do well.
Any reaction to Tony O'Donoghue's comments on the Mons? He has a point to some degree but it's great to see the Mon's earn their place.

**nigel-harps1954** · 08/11/2011, 12:35 PM

Throw everyone in one big division. Screw it. 20 Teams. No need for relegation or promotion.

**citybone** · 08/11/2011, 12:39 PM

easy for you to say now but if Harps were being hammered 4-0,5-0,6-0,7-0,8-0 by the top teams there would not be too many locals happy to come to Finn Park then.

**Dodge** · 08/11/2011, 1:12 PM

Originally Posted by legendz

Sadlier didn't like any suggestions last night of just having one division with possibly only 14 or 16 clubs. His reference to Galway being poor and a reason not to expand the Premier as a result was unfair on the likes of Cork and Shels

And both have earned their place in the top 12, so its not really relevent

Anythign without promotion/relegation would be a disaster IMO

**legendz** · 08/11/2011, 1:14 PM

Originally Posted by citybone

easy for you to say now but if Harps were being hammered 4-0,5-0,6-0,7-0,8-0 by the top teams there would not be too many locals happy to come to Finn Park then.

Fair comment in some respects. What good is licensing for Premier clubs etc. if stadia are not up to a decent standard? Clearly nothing is going to happen overnight and the money isn't there for grounds to be worked on but surely there has to be some move towards having a top 10 or 12 with finances and stadia up to what would be considered a decent standard, for those more in the know to determine.

Tallaght Stadium, Showgrounds, Brandywell, Richmond Park, Dalymount Park, Carlisle Grounds, Oriel Park, UCD Bowl, Hunky Dorys Park, Turners Cross, Tolka Park and Gortakeegan. How many of these stadia would be classed my most supporters of being below a decent standard?

**nigel-harps1954** · 08/11/2011, 1:46 PM

Originally Posted by citybone

easy for you to say now but if Harps were being hammered 4-0,5-0,6-0,7-0,8-0 by the top teams there would not be too many locals happy to come to Finn Park then.

Meh, we not happy being beat by Mervue, Athlone, Longford and the likes at the minute so I see no difference.

**Macy** · 08/11/2011, 2:14 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

Anythign without promotion/relegation would be a disaster IMO

I agree, unless it's strictly short term to get over a hump.

However, I think Sadlier was unreasonably dismissive of teams that might come up in an expanded league, based on Galway. I don't believe Limerick, Waterford or even us would be as poor as Galway were. No one brought up that teams in the premier would have bigger crowds, more sponsorship potential which would feed into the team budget. And the negative aspect of too many games against the same clubs and the impact in the premier wasn't addressed either. Basically it was a typical lightweight MNS discussion where generalisations can rule.

**nigel-harps1954** · 08/11/2011, 2:18 PM

We need to work on some sort of pyramid structure clearly.

**Dodge** · 08/11/2011, 2:23 PM

Originally Posted by Macy

However, I think Sadlier was unreasonably dismissive of teams that might come up in an expanded league, based on Galway.

Should say, I didn't see the show, so I wasn't commenting on that. Did he use Galway as an example of a promoted side? They've spent the last 5 years in the premier...

Basically it was a typical lightweight MNS discussion where generalisations can rule.

Thats what happens when ex-pros get to talk abotu serious issues. They simply don't understand it from any angle other than their own

**legendz** · 08/11/2011, 2:47 PM

Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954

We need to work on some sort of pyramid structure clearly.

Ha ha, wouldn't be too sure on that! If word from last year is to be believed, a suggestion to regionalise divison one didn't get much backing. 4 A championship clubs then are vying to get involved in division one despite what many seeing it as crazy considering the expense involved. Con's original question to Sadlier which prompted the Galway rant was is expanding the Premier to 12 a good move? I would say it is. Clubs playing each other 4 times in the league as many have suggested is a bit much. having a third series isn't ideal in terms of some having the extra home game but it's generally evened out by reversing the fixtures as generally has been done.

**Macy** · 08/11/2011, 2:59 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

Should say, I didn't see the show, so I wasn't commenting on that. Did he use Galway as an example of a promoted side? They've spent the last 5 years in the premier...

His angle was that 14 or 16 would lead to several Galway standard teams getting hammered week in week out, and there'd be too big a difference between the top and the bottom.

Originally Posted by Dodge

Thats what happens when ex-pros get to talk abotu serious issues. They simply don't understand it from any angle other than their own

They just didn't really give it enough time. Asked opinions, but didn't debated it*. The bottom line is that a smaller league, with the intention of condensing the quality has been tried and has failed, and did nothing for the sustainability of the league/ clubs.

*must admit I didn't watch it all, as they announced they were going to be talking international football, so I switched off. They may have come back to it.