QuoteA 16 team premier league is the only way forward and the Teams that are pushing for this 12 team are like Turkeys Voting for Christmas.
We'd certainly aspire to it but can't see us being too confident of anything much (apart from a league cup run, obviously).Originally Posted by Dodge
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A 16 team premier league is the only way forward and the Teams that are pushing for this 12 team are like Turkeys Voting for Christmas.
We are the Galway Boys Stand up and make some noise"
The split division idea was put forward by the National League Executive Committee. Who is this?
I was under the impression that a few weeks ago, a majority of clubs voted for a 16-team prem. division and winter football, and the purpose of the recent meeting was to ratify that or not.
TEN games with nothing at stake for nearly half the division. Why in the name of god would anyone go to these games?!?!
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So we can look down our noses at barstoolers, d'uh...
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Unfortunately, due to our annual sh!te start to the season, we'd be in trouble.
16 clubs would equate to a 30 games season. The split of 12 clubs equates to 22 games followed by 10 after the split, resulting in 32 games. Is the split really worth it for one extra home game a season?
If they do go with a split, there has to be a carrot for finishing top of the lower section. That'd have to come in the form of Europa League play-offs. Wales have introduced a format exactly like that. The 12 split after 22 games, top side of second section are involved in Europa League play-offs.
If they go with play-offs, the FAI Cup final would have to be held before the league finishes so clubs know what they are playing for heading into the play-offs. Generally the top 2 in the league will be in Europe and one more in the top 6 will most likely have qualified already through the Cup but it's not guaranteed. The Europa League play-off would have to factor for 4 clubs from the top section and at least one from the lower section.
The split thing was a disaster last time around, we ended up in it the first year and it was a graveward, worse than the first division!
Id sooner a 16 team premier than this split rubbish or the old woefull play eachother 3 times. In my oponion the only to build up interest across the country is having the "big" teams coming to town every so often.
Look at Athlone, struggling in the first division with great facilities but poor crowds. If Rovers or Derry or Pats were in town, they'd have some chance of getting the local day trippers out for the game, combined with a noisy away crowd, the whole experience might get some fans hooked.
Why doe you always post about the number of games? This isn't a factor for pretty much every club.
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It is my understanding that the NLEC presented this 12 team plan to the clubs last night with the First Division being regionalised into 2 groups of 8. This would mean that the 5 clubs in the A championship + 1 more would be invited into this First Division.
However, the clubs threw our this suggestion and have told the executive to go back to the drawing board and listen to the views of the clubs that have, apparently, been ignored.
A 12 team league is a non runner, but one issue that seems to have bolstered the clubs is the issue of what happens to those clubs who fail to make the cut for a 14 or 16 team premier.
What criteria do you use to exclude 6 clubs - could you get the A championship clubs and a new club to form a new First Division?
Shamrock Rovers have been the one team screaming for the retention of the ten team premier but surely playing everyone four times outside of league cups, fai cups, replays etc is ridiculous.
Apparently the vote on changing back to winter soccer was never on the cards as what has been quoted in the papers was only the result of the informal survey during this process (12 voted yes to winter soccer with 9 voting no!)
I think a major shift is required to revitalise this league.
I also think that a minimum of 14 teams in the Premier League is a fundamental requirement in any change. Whether it is a summer league or a winter league is debatable though with the introduction of the U19 Elite league from next August then does it make sense for your senior team to be playing in the summer while your next team would be playing in the winter (cos the A Championship would be gone!)
those who ignore the past are bound to repeat it. what a bunch of idiots who are these nlec
I wish i did not know then what I dont know now
It seems there are a load from the FAI but nobody from the clubs!!!!!
From what I can gather........the chairman and League Director, Club licencing people, League manager, and Packie Bonner. The only person outside the FAI was Rico!!!
Interesting. Certainly seems to be against the wishes of most of their fans here (whcih i accept mightn't be representative of Rovers fans in general)
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This proves once and for all that the FAI couldnt give a flying **** about the league.I know for definite Fran Gavin was in Agreement with the 16 team premier so it must be our Great Beer Buyer that came up with this ludicrous decision.
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there goes the myth if you pay peanuts you get monkeys we dont pay peanuts but still manage to get...........
I wish i did not know then what I dont know now
As compared to who, the clubs?
Some of the reasons clubs gave for winter football were ludricous. I particularly enjoyed the "We want winter football as we sell more rigs over Christmas". Dear Jesus....
Why?? Did he tell you so??
Taking Fran Gavin at his word.
Rigs?
In fairness though the Winter/Summer debate was always a close one. Doesn't seem like the division size was
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a twleve team premier failed in the past and and there is no reason to assume it would work in the future this was my point but as you bring up winter fooball the same point could be made it was terrible in winter why return to it.
but the people who dreamed up this new structure never ran a club winter or summer ,12 or 22 so have no idea what they are talking about.
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Can anyone else clarify who is on this Committee?
Is this simply the FAI in different clothing?
Back in early 2007 that was certainly the case, being made up of these guys-
http://foot.ie/threads/52197-FAI-mak...e-appointments
Former chairman of Charlton Athletic Richard Collins and Chief Executive of Waterford Crystal and President of Waterford Wedgewood (USA) John Foley join a committee chaired by Paddy McCaul.
Eamon Naughton was elected to the role of vice chairman at the final AGM of the old eircom League. FAI honorary secretary Michael Cody was elected "by the 61 members from all strands of the game who sit on the FAI's National Council". FAI chief executive John Delaney is the other member of the committee which will work with League Director Fran Gavin to run and administer the new league.
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