Republic of Ireland V Russia - Friday, 8th October 2010 - Euro 2012 Qualifier

[geysir]

Wilson is in the squad? surely he can do bit of holding?

[SkStu]

There's a difference between "is beyond question" and "isn't a particularly good manager". I'm utterly sick of the kind of moron who sees his team have one bad game and immediately claims that the experienced and successful manager of his team is some sort of clueless moron.

yes but when you do clueless things like including Paul Green in a competitive game against Russia when he has already shown he is not even close to this level then you can probably see why these sort of comments come up.

[seanfhear]

Wilson is in the squad? surely he can do bit of holding?

Wilson should probaly come in (Tis a pity that he has not already been given more game time (friendlies)

Perhaps this game has brought the possibility of a Wilson, McCarthy midfield to the fore.

To be honest you don't know how some combinations will work out until they are tried

[Stuttgart88]

Trapattoni suggests the first goal was offside (as well as not being a foul to begin with)

http://www.irishtimes.com/sports/soc...280727507.html

Dunne was defintely harshly penalised for their first goal, and two of their goals were deflections. So, if Trap really was a lucky manager we might have got away with it. No complaints though, Russia were totally and utterly dominant. I siad it here loads of times before - I love watching eastern Europeans play football. They find angles that don't exist in our game and they take positions that we never take, not to mention total and utter comfort on the ball. I'd say the term "channel" doesn't exist most footballing languages. I actually prefer eastern European style than Latin style football.

[Crosby87]

I wonder what the attitude on the Slovakian side is today.
Being at home will also bring pressure.....

[shakermaker1982]

Wilson is in the squad? surely he can do bit of holding?

He's in the squad but I don't think the Trap would throw him straight into a qualifier. I'd love it if he did. I dont think he could play as badly as the other two last night. It's going to be really interesting to see what kind of side he puts out. We've been spanked before but only in friendlies. Will he stick with what he has and give them a chance to redeem themselves?

[shakermaker1982]

I'm guessing Shakermaker. But here is his exact quote “Of course, we will look for one or two fresh players and one or two changes are possible. If he means fresh players does he mean those who played no part or those who came on as as sub? And he also lamented our lack of quality midfielders. I can't see Foley getting the nod ahead of McShane if he decides to move O'Shea (if not midfield then LB) And I feel playing McShane at right back with O'Shea moving to left back (or midfield) is a better option than leaving Kilbane in the side. By the barest of margins.

Your scaring me even more now! McShane at RB?! Even with a torn cartilage I think I could hobble about and do a better job Tuesday night. If I was given the horrible choice of picking between

A) stick with same 11
B) O'Shea in midfield
C) McShane at RB

I'd go A! B and C = heavy defeat.

[Sullivinho]

I have a feeling going by that interview today he might play O'Shea in midfield.

Gawd I hope you're wrong. Don't fancy O'Shea in midfield one little bit.

Wilson is in the squad? surely he can do bit of holding?

Called up as a replacement so probably doesn't figure too prominently in Trap's schema, unfortunately.

[drummerboy]

In all reality we should have expected this result anytime over the last 18 months. Its arrived now. Whelan and especially Green have been shown up. Surely its time to try McCartty in midfield and possibly even Garvan. Ward should be tried at left full. Then there's Wilson, Walters, FOLEY who is in the squad, and a f ew more who escapes my mind at the moment.

[Alf Honn]

On the topic of changes for Tues, it's amazing listening back to the rte coverage how biased towards Trap Brady is.

Not once during the half hour of punditry does he offer any alternative to Trap's team, instead sneering at email questions from these 'people on the internet' as he refers to fans passionate enough to make their point. His sarcastic comment that the last query on McGeady not tracking back was the only valid point of the night shows up his arrogance.

When asked by Bill whether McCarthy should be in the team, he took a swerve by responding 'don't ask me hypothetical questions'. This is what we get from someone paid a couple of grand per gig. Souness, Moran or Irwin would offer a better and more impartial analysis.

[Charlie Darwin]

In all reality we should have expected this result anytime over the last 18 months. Its arrived now. Whelan and especially Green have been shown up. Surely its time to try McCartty in midfield and possibly even Garvan. Ward should be tried at left full. Then there's Wilson, Walters, FOLEY who is in the squad, and a f ew more who escapes my mind at the moment.

Foley is turning into the new Andy Reid. He's a decent player but playing him right full will weakening us in that position.

Ditto with Ward. It would be nice to replace Kilbane and I think it would benefit us in the long term but in the short term we'd be weakened on that side as well.

[tetsujin1979]

On the topic of changes for Tues, it's amazing listening back to the rte coverage how biased towards Trap Brady is.

Not once during the half hour of punditry does he offer any alternative to Trap's team, instead sneering at email questions from these 'people on the internet' as he refers to fans passionate enough to make their point. His sarcastic comment that the last query on McGeady not tracking back was the only valid point of the night shows up his arrogance.

When asked by Bill whether McCarthy should be in the team, he took a swerve by responding 'don't ask me hypothetical questions'. This is what we get from someone paid a couple of grand per gig. Souness, Moran or Irwin would offer a better and more impartial analysis.

Why does it surprise you? Trapattoni is his friend, and former colleague, so he finds it hard to criticise him. He's the same with Arsenal games, never criticises Wenger.

[tetsujin1979]

I'd drop St Ledger (who should have been sent off last night btw) for Slovakia. JOSH and Dunne are our best partnership in the centre. I'd start Foley at right full.

And play who on the left?

[Alf Honn]

Why does it surprise you? Trapattoni is his friend, and former colleague, so he finds it hard to criticise him. He's the same with Arsenal games, never criticises Wenger.

The tone doesn't surprise me but the extent of it does. Because I'm at the games, hadn't really seen much of Brady's studio tripe but nearly got sick when watched back on-line today.

I don't think any other country would tolerate someone being so compromised. While we're used to Dunphy contradicting his own points from one week to the other, the recurrent support by Brady of Trap is box office cringe.


Does he expect us to believe that someone so technically good in his heyday agrees with Trap's view to completely ignore the panache of Andy Reid and more recently James McCarthy?

I can understand him being diplomatic during his phase as Trap's translator but now he's being well paid to give an honest view of the game and in this case what to do and who to pick in order for improvements. Yet, he sits on the line of what do we expect from Paul Green playing with a struggling Championship side. Any rational pundit would be questioning why the hell is Green playing when central midfield is the position where we've got most options.

It's nearly as corrupt as the government at this stage.

[Noelys Guitar]

My guess at the team for Wednesday Given
O'Shea Dunne St Ledger Kilbane
Lawerence Gibson Green McGeady
Keane Doyle/Long

[gastric]

My guess at the team for Wednesday Given
O'Shea

Noely you worry me, 2 against 11 may not help our cause!

[Noelys Guitar]

Noely you worry me, 2 against 11 may not help our cause!

This is known as the 2 man system. Very effective in the King Yong Jimbo Five-a-side tourney in pyongyang.

[Fixer82]

What ever happened to Damien Delaney? I remember him starting a friendly for Ireland in London (Nigeria??) and he was on fire in the left back position. Never got a look in after.

[Charlie Darwin]

He played against Serbia and Colombia I think. It was Nolan and Foley who played in the Nigeria game. I didn't think he was up to much in the games he played. Moved to Ipswich and got a bad injury last year but he seems to be back in the first team now.

[Fixer82]

The tone doesn't surprise me but the extent of it does. Because I'm at the games, hadn't really seen much of Brady's studio tripe but nearly got sick when watched back on-line today.

I don't think any other country would tolerate someone being so compromised. While we're used to Dunphy contradicting his own points from one week to the other, the recurrent support by Brady of Trap is box office cringe.


Does he expect us to believe that someone so technically good in his heyday agrees with Trap's view to completely ignore the panache of Andy Reid and more recently James McCarthy?

I can understand him being diplomatic during his phase as Trap's translator but now he's being well paid to give an honest view of the game and in this case what to do and who to pick in order for improvements. Yet, he sits on the line of what do we expect from Paul Green playing with a struggling Championship side. Any rational pundit would be questioning why the hell is Green playing when central midfield is the position where we've got most options.

It's nearly as corrupt as the government at this stage.

Well said (except for the corruption bit).
I think Trap could have prevented Stephen Reid's early retirement. Would love to see the two Reids in centre of park, as injury-prone as they both are. Unfortunately we're stuck with an average Championship player and a Premier league non-starter