QuoteUnless your name is Judge Brian Curtin. Then you'll be hounded out of a job by a baying media pack and a populist government with both eyes firmly fixed on the upcoming elections.Originally Posted by SÓC
KOH
Again, just because you're rich doesn't mean you can't be a socialist (as I hope to prove come 8.10 tonight).
If you attack me with stupidity, I'll be forced to defend myself with sarcasm.
Unless your name is Judge Brian Curtin. Then you'll be hounded out of a job by a baying media pack and a populist government with both eyes firmly fixed on the upcoming elections.
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No One Likes Us, We Don't Care
He's been found innocent. Even if the warrant was correctly dated, his credit card was used on a site that had both adult and child porn, and they found a virus that downloads porn to an infected PC (I believe eircom have been accused of failing to stop a racket going on regarding similar viruses). The DPP hasn't even sent it's file to the Government yet, but you're certain he's done wrong? From what I've read so far, there's reasonably doubt...
If you attack me with stupidity, I'll be forced to defend myself with sarcasm.
Obviously innocent til proiven guilty 'n all but...seems to be a lot of facts pointing towards him having to answer a lot of questions.
Sounds like even aside from the warranty issue the DPP/Gardai didn't investigate fully. The virus sounds like a smokescreen & doesn't seem to have been investigated fully. Judge also claims he purchased other services from which would appear to be adult porn (IMO child porn not a valid term)... Should this disqualify him from serving as a judge as its not illegal as such...?
No, but I would defend anybody's right to be found innocent, by technicality or otherwise. Our march towards a repressive police state continues apace.
Curtin is quite obviously a nasty piece of work but my opinion, your opinion, even Lord Bertie's opinion count for jack **** when a man is found innocent. At least that's what I was brought up to believe.
KOH
No One Likes Us, We Don't Care
Hear Hear I agree, only problem is the me-ja look for the story, Rabbitte brings it up in the Dáil, questions have to be answered. Me-ja go into over drive.
The man is 100% innocent until a Court of Law finds differently.
I dont see what all the hassle is about anyway. The process of removing a judge is quite simple, just never been done before. All the bloody wasters would have to do is give up their summer break and they could remove him if that is what they want.
Oh no not them again
Firstly Curtin was acquitted of child pornography charges on a technicality, not found to be innocent.
There was a virus on his PC which "could" have downloaded porn.
They aren't usually associated with child porn though.
His name was on a list provided by the FBI of credit cards held in Ireland which were used to purchase child porn from a company in the US which was raided. There is little doubt that everyone on the list is guilty. Proving the guilt is another matter though.
According to the Sunday Business Post "Gardai were given legal advice to go ahead with the search for images of child pornography at the home of Judge Brian Curtin from DPP office lawyers.
They went on to mention that "Informed sources said that the judge's home was visited several times before the raid on May 27, 2002, but he never returned home."
Could he have known about the warrant and it's impending expiry date?
Have Boot Disk, will travel
I do not absolve Labour from any blame of the amnesty.
I do attack FF and give reasons, and facts, for doing so.
You continuosly defend FF, but only do so by attacking members of other parties.
You NEVER address the specific issues about FF.
I've pointed out some well documented facts, and that you remain a member of a party where so much wrongdoing and incompetence is present, where degradation of politics and the political system is rampant, and your only answer is that some other parties have a few flaws.
Not really much reason to be an FFer is it?
1. The scumbag Noel O'Flynn couldn't wait to get himself on the lunchtime national news on Radio 1 the day last Tuesday week to proclaim to all and sundry that he "had read the Constitution that very morning" and the judge should resign. So how can you blame Rabbite for this? Surely now that N O'F is a constitutional expert, he will sort it all out?
2. Ahern was himself peripherally involved in the Sheedy affair, where problems with the removal of Judges were first brought up. If I remember correctly, it was an FF election promise to sort that area out....and we all know that FF keep their promises.
3. Removing a Judge is not a simple issue, unless there is a very clear cut case. There is nothing clear cut about this case.
Sorry mate, same thing, no matter what way the media and political classes dress it up. HE WAS ACQUITTED, HE'S INNOCENT. Sorry for shouting but people are losing the run of themselves over this one.
KOH
No One Likes Us, We Don't Care
Patsh Patsh Patsh, ok lets agree that you dont like FF and I do alright.
Noel O'Flynn should be thrown out of the party along with Cullen.
I never said removing a individual judge is simple, its only the process itself that is very very simple.
Patsh you seem a keen follower of FF policy, do you remember why FF didnt enact a bill to deal with this area?
Oh no not them again
But if they're not proven guilty, they're found innocent surely?
Conor, I do think there are questions to answer (not least the points about the handling of the case), however he has been proven innocent in the courts (technicality or not). Fitness to judge other people isn't the same as deciding whether he's guilty of a criminal offence. We'll all have to wait and see the evidence to decide that (and then it won't be us it'll be the elected representative)...
It's an internal decision whether Flynn gets chucked by FF, and then it's her electorate who decide whether she remains in the Dail (unless she's Bankrupt). She's not getting sacked from her job (and probably won't given the reaction in Mayo
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Disagree.
Court options are either Guilty or Not Guilty.
So if you're not guilty, you're not innocent either? Sure there's no smoke without fire, whatever the case...
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Whoa!!! Surely having credit card details does not entail someone is guilty. These can be thieved anytime and it is only at the end of the month - providing that you bother to look, which being well off may not be something that concerns you - that you'd take notice. However if child porn from that site was to somehow end up on same person's computer...
This is the cooooooooooooolest footy forum I've ever seen!
How likely is it that someone stole his credit card and then proceded to download illegal images to his PC? Besides, the list was examined for some time by the FBI before it was delivered to the Gardai. This all took place over a two year period. In England it's going to take them a few years to get to everyone on the list. They look at the worst offenders first.
I'm sure the Gardai are doing the same.
Have Boot Disk, will travel
You've answered my question. There's currently a 'rumour' that a high profile England international is under the same suspicion (Daily Star on Sunday a few months back). He also claimed that his credit card was also stolen. Watch this space.
This is the cooooooooooooolest footy forum I've ever seen!
Also as I mentioned earlier apparent Curtin has admitted using other "services" from the company that was raided by the FBI. They were reported as having hundreds of sites & up to 250k credit card numbers but that they separated the biulling between adult porn & paedolphic (if thats a word) pics (how very organised)...
What will happen if Curtin decides not to tell his side of the story to the Gov?
Would this constitute "stated misbehaviour" I wonder?
It would surely bring into disrepute, and seriously damage the justice system in this country, if he was allowed to hear cases ever again.
To Conor and SOC,
It's being quite an interesting thread so far, but can I ask you both, does it ever bother either of you that in reality you both act like "Good Germans" ?
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