Under 19's away for 10 days in Bulgaria

**Flexy** · 22/09/2010, 9:44 AM

Cant believe the Ireland U19's are away for 10 days meaning we will be losing Paddy McElaney for 10 days away with the National Under 19's. Do you think this right towards the business end of our season. Do our clubs have any say whether they should go or Stay. I dont mind them going for an international match for a couple of days, but 10 days come on its too much not just for the player but the club who also has to pay their wages as well.

**Spudulika** · 22/09/2010, 10:46 AM

Are they not playing in a qualifying tournament for the European Championships? They run them off in 2 group stages now. I could be wrong though.

**Sam_Heggy** · 22/09/2010, 12:07 PM

Crazy alright, I remember talking about this earlier in the season when Ciaran Gallagher was looking like being a shoe in for the squad, he picked up a long term injury shortly after which ruled him out.
Big loss for the muckers if McEleney is going to be out for that long. What games does he miss?

**Flexy** · 22/09/2010, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by Sam_Heggy

Crazy alright, I remember talking about this earlier in the season when Ciaran Gallagher was looking like being a shoe in for the squad, he picked up a long term injury shortly after which ruled him out.
Big loss for the muckers if McEleney is going to be out for that long. What games does he miss?

He misses the Shels match at home Sammy

**CSFShels** · 22/09/2010, 1:52 PM

Excellent news, with the likelihood of the keeper being suspended too.

**Martinho II** · 22/09/2010, 7:32 PM

what week is that game scheduled? Our loan signing from Shams Craig Walsh is in that squad too but considering the way hes playin at the moment he wont be missed too much thats for sure!!

**DeNiro** · 23/09/2010, 3:13 PM

Doolin appointed manager for U18s and U19s..........insanity

**pineapple stu** · 23/09/2010, 4:33 PM

Suits me.

**Charlie Darwin** · 24/09/2010, 2:13 AM

Surely grouping the games together like this is good for clubs because it limits the amount of time players are away overall?

**pineapple stu** · 24/09/2010, 9:27 AM

I think that's ultimately the case, yeah. It's happened us a few times as well - Andy Boyle for the U-19s most recently I think. It's just the price of success, in my opinion.

**Sam_Heggy** · 13/10/2010, 8:54 PM

Originally Posted by Flexy

Cant believe the Ireland U19's are away for 10 days meaning we will be losing Paddy McElaney for 10 days away with the National Under 19's. Do you think this right towards the business end of our season. Do our clubs have any say whether they should go or Stay. I dont mind them going for an international match for a couple of days, but 10 days come on its too much not just for the player but the club who also has to pay their wages as well.

Derry City 3-0 Shelbourne
72' - Goal - Derry City have sealed this game with another goal by Patrick McEleney. 3-0!!

And http://www.extratime.ie/fixtures/detail/12202/2/

How was this when the Under 19's only got back tonight?

**passerrby** · 13/10/2010, 11:12 PM

maybe he was not selected ..great player massive potential

**Alf Honn** · 13/10/2010, 11:18 PM

Originally Posted by passerrby

maybe he was not selected ..great player massive potential

Was pulled out by Derry City injured few days before squad left for Bulgaria. Some recovery...

**Sam_Heggy** · 14/10/2010, 6:40 AM

Originally Posted by Alf Honn

Was pulled out by Derry City injured few days before squad left for Bulgaria. Some recovery...

Surely if he was withdrawn from international duty, yet didn't miss any DC games, there will have to be some form of punishment?

Does anyone know the ruling on this? Isn't it the same as senior international withdrawals?

Bray were missing a vital player, Harps missing a player, Longford a player. What was to stop us pulling them out of the squad as "injured"?

**harps1954** · 14/10/2010, 9:08 AM

From the FAI Rule Book:

RULE 52. POWER TO DEAL WITH PLAYERS REFUSAL TO PLAY IN REPRESENTATIVE
MATCHES
Any player selected to play in any International or other match arranged by The Association and who without good
and sufficient cause refuses to comply with the arrangements of The Council for the playing of the match, or fails to
play in such match, may be adjudged by The Council to be guilty of misconduct, and such player, or any Club which
may be deemed to have encouraged such player to such misconduct, may be dealt with as The Council shall deem
appropriate.

**osarusan** · 14/10/2010, 10:11 AM

Cooldog will surely take lumps out of McEleny. This is just the kind of situation he relishes.

**harps1954** · 14/10/2010, 10:24 AM

From the FAI Participation Agreement 2010 Document (which every club would have signed). If this rule is applied, McEleney would technically have been suspended from playing for Derry City. If so, Shels will be awarded a 3-0 victory for last Saturday's game. BUT, Shelbourne would have to have made a complaint to the FAI.

19.19 Any Participant Club receiving permission to postpone such a fixture must not arrange a football related
activity for the day covered by the postponement. No player shall be allowed to play in a match two days
prior to the date of a League representative match without the permission of the League Director. A
fixture postponed under this Rule shall be arranged in accordance with the provisions of Rules 19.10 and
19.11 relating to postponed matches.
Any Participant Club refusing to release a player(s) selected for an International or Representative panel
under the jurisdiction of the FAI shall not be entitled to play such players(s) until a period of five (5)
calendar days has elapsed from the date of such fixture(s). Any selected player failing to join the panel shall
not be permitted to play for his Club for the same period. Call-ups of registered players by Associations
other than the FAI for International duty are governed by the regulations of FIFA.

**Dodge** · 14/10/2010, 10:26 AM

So he didn't miss any games? I could understand if he missed the first one and recovered as t'd be a waster to bring him on his own out to Bulgaria but if he played all games for Derry, thats a different story

**Mr A** · 14/10/2010, 10:32 AM

He played against Wexford the week before as well (on October 1st) so it does not look like he missed any games.

**osarusan** · 14/10/2010, 10:37 AM

Are we sure he pulled out of the squad through injury? Is there evidence of that, apart from Alf Honn's post above?

According to the rule quoted above, a player failing to join an international panel may not play for his club for 5 calendar days - have Derry breached this?